Re: how do I change the user install wizard to create user folder in different location?
From: Alan Drown (adrown_at_NOSPAMsigmalan.com)
Date: 12/16/04
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:03:18 -0800
LOL!
Thanks Les!
Dont get me wrong, I appreciate the wizards for certain, especially since
I'm not an expert and there is a lot of complexity involved with SBS 2003.
The part that concerns me is when things dont go right I dont know what's
going on under the hood to fix them.
Regarding SQL and Sharepoint,
thanks for the info, I'll double check in the compnay web.
The last step, is what concerns me .... step 11, in "To install SP3a to
the SHAREPOINT instance of SQL Server" in the premiuminstallsetups.htm file
where I'm suppose to register the SHAREPOINT instance of SQL Server within
the Enterprise Manager.
It doesnt seem to find SQL server running on this system so I dont have the
ability to manage the SQL database from within Enteprise Manager.
"Les Connor [SBS Community Member]" <les.connor@DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in
message news:%23QxLr674EHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Your setup looks fine to me.
>
> Some people read the instructions in such a way that they install both a
> new instance of sql, plus upgrade the sharepoint instance. That's fine,
> but you don't need the new instance if you're not going to use it. That's
> probably what you see on your other box.
>
> In any case, if you followed the directions, and your companyweb has the
> search box, you did it right. If search doesn' work, you still did it
> right but just didn't finish reading the instructions - there's a
> sharepoint configuration to enable search to function.
>
> On the other topic: Never slight the SBS wizards. If you want to keep
> doing things the hard way, and banging your head against the wall, then go
> ahead and ignore them. If you want to find out why you should use them
> (especially if you think you shoudn't), then don't use them and you will
> find out the hard way.
>
> People who have never actually configured and run all of this stuff on one
> box before can't imagine how important the wizards are nor what they do.
> People who have tried to run all this on one box before, appreciate the
> complexity and functionality of the wizards. The wizards *are* what
> defines SBS and makes it what it is.
>
> If you want the full product, use the wizards. You are not smarter than
> they are. If you don't use the wizards, don't whine when things don't seem
> to be working. Got it ? ;-).
>
> (you have heard the 'what's that noise' story about the woodcutters and
> chainsaws, right ?)
>
> --
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> SBS Rocks !
>
>
> "Alan Drown" <adrown@NOSPAMsigmalan.com> wrote in message
> news:%23PDcmu74EHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Yes, I'm starting to get a lot of practice... :)
>>
>> Relying on the wizards to do things seems to be more of a crutch because
>> then you really dont know whats going on under the hood. Depending on
>> the environment the wizards also seem cause some havoc.
>>
>> FYI, I reinstalled from scratch using the Dell OpenManage Server
>> Assistant so all my drivers automatically loaded automatically. This part
>> seemed tp worked fine. During the initial ServerAssistant Setup it also
>> asks for some initial information like DNS, DOMAIN, license key, etc..
>> to automate the SBS asetup.
>>
>> On to new challenges! :)
>>
>> SQL 2000 and Sharepoint.
>>
>> I decided to load SQL 2000 from the premium CD after all was up and
>> running.
>>
>>
>> I followed the directions of updating an existing MSDE installation,
>> selecting the SHAREPOINT instance and not SBSMONITORING per the
>> instructions
>> I loaded SP3 and did the same thing, also selecting full text searching
>> and monitoring tools .
>>
>>
>> It loaded without any errors.
>> I'm uncertain whether it's running with SQL server as its backend or
>> still using the MSDE engine.
>>
>> I'm not able to open SQL server from Enterprise Manager
>> Maybe I should have done an update and should have done a new instance of
>> SQL server???
>>
>> In add/remove programs I find the the following relevant programs
>> installed:
>> Micorosft SQL Server 2000 (SHAREPOINT)
>> Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine (SBSMONITORING)
>> Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services 2.0
>>
>> If I look at the services that are running on the SBS box :
>>
>> MSSQL$SBSMONITORING
>> MSSQL$SHAREPOINT both are started and setup to run Automatically
>>
>> Also in services I see :( dont know if these need to be running or not)
>> SQLAgent$SBSMONITORING
>> SQLAgent$SHAREPOINT
>>
>> only SBSMONITORING is running though they're both setup to run
>> automatically.
>>
>> When I look on a different server running 2003 server with SQL 2000,
>> I see these services up an running
>> MSQL$DATABASENAME
>> MSQLSERVER
>>
>> How come I'm not seeing MSQLSERVER running on the SBS box?
>> SQL enterprise manager doesnt recognize that SQL is running on the system
>> locallly . I tried to register the server by name or by local name and
>> either it thinks SQL isnt installed or or it doesnt have privilages to
>> open it. Is it because its looking for the MSQLSERVER process and not
>> finding it?
>>
>> If I look at the services running I dont see MSQLSERVER like I do on
>> another install which is on just Windows 2003 server and SQL2000
>>
>> Should I have done an update or a new install of SQL 2000?
>> Is this why I cant open it in the Enterprise Manager for SQL?
>> Should I be able to manage the database from Enterprise Manager for SQL?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member]" <les.connor@DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in
>> message news:eVrab334EHA.1596@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Yeah .... you do get the opportunity to specify location for all data
>>> folders during the integrated install. It isn't obvious on your first
>>> go-around, because the data files location window comes after the
>>> program files window ...
>>>
>>> Data file locations specified in the setup is a much more efficient way
>>> of organizing, compared to moving everything after the fact. This is one
>>> of the many small details that one learns by doing test installs - and
>>> an example of why it might take say 3 installs to get one that you
>>> really like and will use for production.
>>>
>>> Folks that do this for a living have an obvious advantage, the
>>> installation and configuration is well practiced. Everybody has had
>>> their first install sometime - just don't get your expectations out of
>>> line. Those that expect the first, the one and only, installation to do
>>> the job are generally setting themselves up for dissapointment and
>>> frustration.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Les Connor [SBS Community Member]
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>> SBS Rocks !
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alan Drown" <adrown@NOSPAMsigmalan.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eE9L5Yx4EHA.4008@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>I decided it just meant the program files and thought/hoped it would ask
>>>>me location of data folders ..
>>>> and low and behold IT DID!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I LIKE when things do what you they they should!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> "Alan Drown" <adrown@NOSPAMsigmalan.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eS%239eJx4EHA.2964@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi Les,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well.... It may have, I didnt get to the point of actually adding
>>>>> additional users to find out.
>>>>> I decided to rebuild the system. I thought it would be good to be
>>>>> familiar with this systems nuances now than later.
>>>>> I had been debating on rebuilding from scratch and then I started
>>>>> having problem logging in and noticed
>>>>> upon reboot earlier today it took forever to log into the sysetm . I
>>>>> looked at the log and there were some strange errors that just
>>>>> started cropping up yesterday stating
>>>>> "Windows cannot access the file gpt.ini for GPO
>>>>> CN={31B2F340-016D-11D2-945 blah blah blah......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> that kind of sealed the rebuild decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> just a little background....
>>>>> I think I probably created the problem but it's funny that it took so
>>>>> long to crop up. Originally, I had two interfaces configured and then
>>>>> decided for migration purposes it would be easier to just have one
>>>>> interface active since this system isnt in production yet. I disabled
>>>>> the interfaces and didnt rerun the ICW. After the fact I reran the
>>>>> ICW to let it know it only had one interface but I still had the
>>>>> latency problems at login and the above error in the application
>>>>> log...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So that said,
>>>>> I'm at the screen in the install process where it wants to know what
>>>>> applications and tools to install.
>>>>> I have the option of changing the path here but this looks like for
>>>>> the applications themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I want the various data files to live some where else, is this
>>>>> where I do it or will I have the opportunity to tell it later on in
>>>>> the installation where the data is to reside - i.e Exchange
>>>>> transaction Logs on D, Information stores on E.?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Les Connor [SBS Community Member]" <les.connor@DEL.cfive.ca> wrote in
>>>>> message news:uD$1MYv4EHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you followed the document, then the wizard knows already ;-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (because the name and permissions for the 'Users' share are
>>>>>> re-created, that's all the wizard needs)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it not working correctly ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Les Connor [SBS Community Member]
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> SBS Rocks !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alan Drown" <adrown@NOSPAMsigmalan.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23KhSkpu4EHA.2192@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les Connor provided info on migrating the various data folders to a
>>>>>>> new location , thank you very much, but I was wondering if someone
>>>>>>> could tell me how to change the add user wizard to create user
>>>>>>> folders in the new location rather than the old one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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