Re: Logon Profile Problem
From: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] (lanwench_at_heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com)
Date: 12/09/04
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:02:32 -0500
Marty wrote:
> All
>
> Any additonal recommendations, or reports back on this
> above-mentioned issue & resolution would be appreciated and may
> assist me in my predicament...
>
> I am absolutely confused with administrative and configuration
> aspects of Folder Redirection, Roaming profiles, Offline
> Files/Folders and SBS 2003. I am having great difficulty finding
> appropriate documentation. The advice that the esteemed MVPs mention
> in this newsgroup seems to totally differ from the default 'out of
> the box' wizard setup that SBS 2003 provides/suggests. Please if you
> could clarify/assist in relation to my issues as follows..
>
> My situation:
>
> Mix of PC and laptop users (need offline files/folders) that often
> swap PCs or use office PC instead of laptop (need roaming profiles).
> SBS enabled My Docs folder redirection automatically (as far as I can
> recall!) We have SBS 2003 Standard with all latest & greatest patches
> (not Windows Server 2003 SP1 as yet!) and all XP SP2 workstations..
>
> Last time I checked in XP Profile Manager, My 'personal account'
> Roaming
> User Profile was maxed out at 999 M on the server (1G disk quotas), I
> get Administrator Account 'userenv' errors Event Id 1030 in Event
> Log, My Docs Offline Folders will not keep files & folders that I DO
> delete, deleted - they keep on coming back no matter whether they're
> deleted online or offline or on local offline profile or from actual
> server copy.. also Offline Sydnchronisation kicks in annoyingly
> whenever I boot my laptop.. even when out of the office.. very
> annoying as you cannot stop unless you totally disble Logon/Logoff
> Sychronisation which I have now disabled..
>
> My Docs seem to be in same spot on server, inside each user's Profile
> directory: //{servername}/Users Shared Folders/{username}/{username}
> Documents
You can move them via folder redirection policy to a subfolder of their home
directory. Keep profiles TINY. 20, 30MB at most. Don't store s__ on the
desktop. Etc.
>
> Should I redesign the entire directory structure and seperate the User
> Profiles from My Docs storage?
Yes, absolutely.
> How should I do this? Why should I do
> this and shouldn't this work without tinkering as I don't want a
> non-standard SBS setup and certainly don't want any system downtime
> or further complications...
It isn't nonstandard at all. And you *must* disable offline file caching on
the roaming profile share on the server or you'll run into problems galore.
>
> I recently disabled Shadow Copies and increased disk quotas to 2G on
> the server drive that hosts the User directories, I checked my server
> and local copy of profile and they were both at 3.4G (too big!), I'm
> boggled!
>
> I want to resolve the whole thing once and for all... allow Roaming
> Users, keep My Docs files/folders deleted (that I want deleted!),
> ensure profiles are kept to a minimum size, ensure that I can use
> local My Docs when off network & Offline synchronisation occurs only
> when online on office network (not VPN either!). Am I asking for too
> much?
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated!
I don't like offline files, ever - have been way too many problems with lost
data for me to ever try it again. For laptop users who also use desktops, I
make their profile local after downloading it. And I use SecondCopy 2000
(www.centered.com) to sync files for all laptop users. Works fine...
>
> Marty
>
> "John Harris" wrote:
>
>> Thanks All, I will try these suggestions tomorrow and report back.
>>
>> --
>> John Harris (Harry)
>> Computer Troubleshooters - Hornby
>> Christchurch
>> New Zealand
>>
>>
>>
>> "ye110wbeard" <ye110wbeard@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:e5plZj11EHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>> Actually I've seen this.
>>>
>>> The laptop profile may be corrupt. The way to find out "the good
>>> copy" is to rename both (login locally to do this as Administrator)
>>> and then login and logout successfully on the laptop and the PC
>>> (But no both at the same time, THAT will be a problem).
>>>
>>> If you get the new profile on both workstations as having the
>>> "magical pictures" then the changes on the laptop were never
>>> properly synching with the server.
>>>
>>> Possibility number two is the copy of the profile on the server is
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> If that's the case, it might almost be a "not bad idea" to make a
>>> new profile by renaming both local copies, taking ownership of the
>>> server copy and renaming it.
>>>
>>> Make one clean one on the laptop and use the old "My Documents,
>>> Desktop, Application Data, Favorites" to move important bits back.
>>> Don't forget the NK2 files for Outlook 2003 for the cached name
>>> list used when composing emails.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:uoGBHt01EHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> John Harris wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> I have a user that has no problems actually logging on but does
>>>>> have a problem with what is loaded with the profile. He uses two
>>>>> machines fairly regularly, one is a laptop and the other
>>>>> (primary) is his desktop. When he changes his profile on the
>>>>> laptop (e.g. deletes the photos in his My Documents folder) it
>>>>> saves the changes to the server (Dell PE4400). When he logs back
>>>>> on the laptop, no problem. When he logs back on to the PC (it
>>>>> has been logged off all this time) the pictures come back to life.
>>>>>
>>>>> His profile is set in \\servername\%username%\profile in ADUC
>>>>
>>>> If that's his home directory, rethink your setup. Don't mix up
>>>> profiles and
>>>> home directory data.
>>>> Use a parent folder called profiles, share it as profiles$ to make
>>>> it a hidden share, and specify \\server\profiles$\%username% for
>>>> the path.
>>>>
>>>> Share permissions should be everyone=full control. NTFS
>>>> permissions on profiles should be administrators, system, and
>>>> users=full control - the permissions will be modified for each
>>>> subfolder (%username%) when they log
>>>> in & create the profile folder automatically the first time.
>>>>
>>>> See if fixing this for him resolves his problem....then fix
>>>> everyone else if
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm barking up the wrong tree, look for userenv errors in his
>>>> workstation
>>>> app event logs.
>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> they run a basic batch file utilising the NET USE command for
>>>>> drive mappings. When he logs on there is no problem with
>>>>> retrieving his personal settings from the server (i.e. uses the
>>>>> profile on the server NOT the locally stored profile). When he
>>>>> logs off all settings appear to be saved whether it is from the
>>>>> PC or laptop (whichever is last off).
>>>>>
>>>>> He appears to be the only person suffering this issue and I have
>>>>> deleted his NTUSER.DAT file.
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