Re: Domain Controller qestion
neil_at_sys1.com
Date: 11/10/04
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:23:27 +1100
You are right. Unlimited in most cases is a joke. I have 1500DL/256K
upload genuine unlimited account. However, my clients can generally
only upload at 128k because of their own limitations on ADSL. So...
If they UPLOAD directly to US server, and I DL (mirror) from US
server, I can mirror at 1500k, and there is no disadvantage to the
clients, in fact it means I CAN mirrir so it is an advantage.
Our target market is small business. Most do not have tape, in fact
most don't backup!! Our software can backup at the data bit level so
it is extremely quick. The ADSL speed for BU is not an issue, but we
always advise clients to BU when files are NOT in use to avoid extra
costs of open file manager.
So the bottom line is, for speed, space and security it makes sense to
use the US server as the primary one, and the AU as mirror.
The three problems are:
1. How to get the data already backed up to US server
2. How to get the US AND AUST server configured to ensure all user
info etc just auto transfers.
3. What software to use to keep mirroring US back to Aust
To me, this should be a simple project to the educated.......
Intersted at all? BTW, I'm in Melbourne.
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:37:09 +1100, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]"
<not@your.nellie> wrote:
>www.micropol.com.au
>
>We're based in Baulkham Hills, Sydney.
>
>In another post you mention that the ADSL account is 'unlimited', at what
>speed? My problem with internet based backup has as much to do with the time
>involved as some other aspects. We upgrade systems from slower to faster
>tape drives to reduce the changes occuring during a backup procedure, it's
>not much use having a backup of 'itemX' if it is referenced by 'itemY' but
>the time taken to back one up means the links are inconsistent.
>
>Typically, 'unlimited' AU ADSL is at rather limited speeds, particularly
>upstream (you -> US), and the speed is further reduced when data transfers
>exceeds some value. A clean install of SBS is, what, about 6GB, then add
>data. How long does this take to transfer at your upstream speed?
>
><neil@sys1.com> wrote in message
>news:1j1uo0pfrn2ej290uk55391vvva7khq6kp@4ax.com...
>> I'm haopy to pay someone to DIRECTLY set it up for me. I am not in a
>> position (or even want to) become an expert like you guys.
>>
>> If you can give me qa quote (I assume you can do it all by remote
>> control???)
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:53:10 +1100, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]"
>> <not@your.nellie> wrote:
>>
>> >yes, make it a 2nd DC in your AD domain.
>> >
>> >which it sounds like it already is.
>> >
>> >So go back to my first response and re-read it. If the US server is
>already
>> >a DC in the same domain as your SBS it will have replicated the AD, takes
>a
>> >short time, let's say 15 minutes but under some circumstances it can be
>> >longer.
>> >
>> >but we're actually discussing two different things. One item under
>> >discussion is internet based backup, which I won't have anything to do
>with.
>> >The other item is AD replication between DC members of the same domain,
>this
>> >happens automatically as long as the DC can communicate with it's AD
>> >partner(s).
>> >
>> >If you are still confused it's time to hire someone who isn't. I don't
>say
>> >this because I 'play the game', I offer it as the best advice I can give.
>> >You are asking a question which relies on certain knowledge, the result
>is
>> >fundamental to the continuing operation of your AD domain, if you are
>unsure
>> >that you have set it up right you should pay someone who can DIRECTLY
>look
>> >at the setup and say 'yes' or 'no'.
>> >
>> ><neil@sys1.com> wrote in message
>> >news:5j9oo0trko627uf7sj85tsu7h5oqg63oc0@4ax.com...
>> >>I guess what I am asking is:
>> >>
>> >> Is there a simple step by step guide available to make the local
>> >> (Aust) AD users replicate on the remote (US) server?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:20:52 +1100, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]"
>> >> <not@your.nellie> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>><neil@sys1.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:ppilo09cr84ken0qg3qjfjpjqgaoldrc7e@4ax.com...
>> >>>> We only offer to small businesses. Why are you saying it is not a
>> >>>> valid methodology to apply to business networks?
>> >>>
>> >>>A client of ours was approached by one of the 'internet based backup'
>> >>>outfits, after several months of using the system they told them to
>jump
>> >>>in
>> >>>the lake. Despite my (and the guy I work with) objections we took every
>> >>>effort to make the system work, in our opinion the client is always
>right.
>> >>>
>> >>>There's several aspects of this which are more pertinent in AU space
>then
>> >>>elsewhere, the most important being cost vs benefit. Fast 'unlimited
>data'
>> >>>internet connections have prohibitive costs, unlimited data connections
>> >>>are
>> >>>slow and for a full server backup you exceed the limits of such
>accounts.
>> >>>How does this effect backup? The time from initialisation of the backup
>to
>> >>>completion is too long, it simply doesn't give you a coherent backup.
>> >>>
>> >>>The client had a reasonable (ie not large, just reasonable) database
>upon
>> >>>which the whole business relies. During the period where the client was
>> >>>using the internet system several 'minor upgrades' were applied to the
>> >>>'Business Management' package. This resulted in the whole package being
>> >>>transmitted across the internet.
>> >>>
>> >>>> In any case, are you able to help with some instructions how to
>> >>>> achieve what I am trying to do?
>> >>>
>> >>>I've already answered this question. You have answered it. The remote
>> >>>machine is already a DC, you don't need to DCPromo it.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:48:45 +1100, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]"
>> >>>> <not@your.nellie> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>before I comment on this understand one thing.
>> >>>>>Internet based backup is a viable solution for Joe Homer, it is not a
>> >>>>>valid
>> >>>>>methodology to apply to business networks.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Meanwhile, sounds like your remote server is already a DC, ignore
>that
>> >>>>>step.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>><neil@sys1.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:ugj8o0hrssb46i5vjupfn0sduj7ivochh7@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>I have a SBS 2003 Server in Australia
>> >>>>>> I have 'hired' Win2K3 server in US.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have VERY LIMITED understanding of the W2K3 server OS, and have
>only
>> >>>>>> a 'simple???' need to MOVE a commercial application (an online data
>> >>>>>> backup server application) from Aust server to US server and have
>been
>> >>>>>> given some simple instructions below.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Trouble is, when I type DCPROMO as instructed, the Wizard only
>advises
>> >>>>>> me that my computer is already an Active Direcetory domain
>controller,
>> >>>>>> and only offers to remove AD services on this computer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Is there a simple step by step method for me to achive what I need.
>> >>>>>> Please note, I have no need to become an expert because this is
>really
>> >>>>>> the only need I have. If it's a dumb question... soryy.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The instructions I received are:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> " Typically, you create a new DC in the same forest. Once done,
>the
>> >>>>>> replication process replicates the AD from the primary server to
>> >>>>>> additional DCâ?Ts. To do this, you simply run DCPROMO from the
>> >>>>>> run/command prompt and follow the wizard steps. Once this is done,
>> >>>>>> you can then use Domain sites and services to setup a remote
>> >>>>>> replication process over a VPN connection, or you can use SMTP as a
>> >>>>>> transport (I donâ?Tt recommend this). "
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
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