Re: Over The Network Tape Backup
From: SBS03 Rocks!!! (SBS03_at_invalid.invalid)
Date: 10/31/04
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:13:02 -0500
see <my comments>
SBS03 Rocks!!!
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> SBS03 Rocks!!! wrote:
>> Not trying to touch off a nerve.
>
> You haven't. It takes a lot more than a newsgroup thread. ;-)
>>
>> But the point was to utilize existing technology to eliminate human
>> error.
>
> The backup job will be set to run automatically from the server. All a
> human
> has to do is change the tape, and someone can be emailed the backup logs
> for
> review.
>
>> The WKST will only have access to the SBS box via TS.
>
> No, the backup job will need file-level access to the backup files on the
> server over the network. Even if this is scheduled to run unnattended.
>>
<My Comments> I will clarify. I am suggesting to backup to Disk on the
server. Why? Faster restore time. I am suggesting copying backup from disk
to tape for offsite storage. Why? If M$ is coming out with WPS (windows
protection server) then we should take note, backup to disk is going to be
the way to go.
Pearl, all responses have merit and answer your initial question. I am
expanding your question to a much larger question, hence the larger
solution. From a business case perspective you can spend $xx dollars on a
cheap disk and extend the live of the current tapes. This over the long
haul will save you $xx. The real savings will come to your other resource
"TIME". The first restore from Disk vs. Tape will more than pay for the
cost of the 1 ide drive. Time is money!
>> The big picture is to assist Pearl in utilizing his current
>> environment with the ultimate solution that is also the least
>> expensive and less risky.
>>
>> If you are concerned that someone may just pocket the tape then you
>> already realize the risks involved.
>
> Right - and security of the tape drive, access to same, wasn't the point
> of
> the original post. I think my suggestion, that the tape drive be moved to
> the server and all backups be run there, makes the most sense - far less
> complicated, error prone, faster.
>>
<My comments> Correct the origional question didn't concern security or best
practices. I thru that in for free. Sorry if it added to your confusion
(Pearl), Lanwench I know you are clear. Yes backing up to tape attached to
the server is faster than backing up across the wire to tape attached to the
workstation. Additionally, backing up to disk is faster than tape. Another
Freebie, restoring from disk is faster as well.
>> SBS03 Rocks!!!
>>
>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
>> <lanwench@heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmail.atyahoo.com> wrote in
>> message news:uSnKqNrvEHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> SBS03 Rocks!!! wrote:
>>>> Pearl,
>>>>
>>>> Add a "cheap" Large IDE drive to the server and use it for backups.
>>>> Leave the Tape drive on the WKST. then use the tape over the
>>>> network to copy your disc backups to tape for offsite storage.
>>>
>>> That process will take a very long time to complete and sounds like
>>> an entirely unneeded to me....
>>>>
>>>> This will allow you to never have to "UNLOCK" the server Room.
>>>> Never physically touch the server. This server could be hidden in
>>>> a locked closet and the Workstation would then be the main point of
>>>> contact with SBS
>>>
>>> Given that a lot of small shops don't have the luxury of locked,
>>> dedicated server rooms anyway, I don't mind having a trusted
>>> employee access the server room just to change tapes if there's no
>>> internal IT staff to do
>>> it -
>>> they don't know any admin credentials.
>>>
>>> If you are concerned about physical security, and yet you have a
>>> workstation
>>> out on the floor with a tape drive attached, you're exposing
>>> yourself to a fairly major security risk - what's to stop someone
>>> just ejecting & pocketing the tape?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> SBS03 Rocks!!!
>>>>
>>>> "Pearl" <Pearl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1626B86A-1DD5-45C1-AFB9-C62DC5ABF4BA@microsoft.com...
>>>>> We have our tape backup device on a Dell Precision Workstation. We
>>>>> had a Peer Network and then purchased a SBS2003 Standard Dell
>>>>> Server. I was told
>>>>> that SBS2003 Standard "may not" be able to perform tape backups
>>>>> over the network to the Precision Workstation tape drive. We are
>>>>> using Veritas BackupExec software. Also, we have SQL Server 2000
>>>>> and had that installed on
>>>>> the SBS2003 server, as well. Our main concern is backup up the SQL
>>>>> Server 2003 databases.
>
>
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