Re: SBS on Virtual PC?
From: David Copeland [MSFT] (davidcop_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:36:33 -0500
Just realized I forgot.. in case you've not seen it..
Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Service Pack 1
Other related links
Microsoft Virtual PC 2004
Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Free 45-Day Trial Edition
Microsoft Virtual Server 2005
Virtual Server 2005 Evaluation Kit
-- Hope that helps, David Copeland Microsoft Small Business Server Support This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. SBS Newsgroups: SBS v4.x: microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz SBS 2000: microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000 SBS 2003: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs "David Copeland [MSFT]" <email@example.com> wrote in message news:uWa#v6LuEHA.2948@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > True, and depending on how fast of a machine/drives and ram and/or number > of machines you have licensed for Virtual PC/Virtual Server and the guest > OS'es you have the ability to create all kinds of environments. > > Something to keep in mind Virtual Server is the one that SBS would really be > supported in.. even though it may run fine in VPC. (see below) > > Attilla, you mentioned that seems like it might be easier with just having > another machine.. sometimes that may be true.. but depending on what you're > testing/doing.. it sure comes in handy sometimes to be able to simply turn > off the virtual machine and selecting the option to discard the changes.. > and then simply boot the virtual machine back up for the occassional oops! > :) as opposed to manually undoing/re-installing/restoring.. > > You will have to keep in mind that if you do configure a client virtual > machine and an SBS server with ISA behind another ISA server that you may > need to do additional configurations on the virtualized SBS to do upstream > routing through the other ISA server or at least be aware that if something > isn't working from the virtual pc client that it could be the other ISA > server blocking it. (or depending on your networking config you could have > it connected directly to the external world).. Be sure that you keep any > virtual machines up to date with service packs, security updates, and > anti-virus updates, etc. as if it were another real machine too. > > > Also, with a real machine can you write a script to configure it.. ;) > > Script Repository: Virtual Server > Sample scripts for managing Microsoft Virtual Server. > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/scripts/vs/default.mspx > > TechNet Webcast: Virtual Server 2005 COM API: Automating Your Virtual > World-Level 300 > http://msevents.microsoft.com/cui/WebCastEventDetails.aspx?EventID=1032259266&Culture=en-US > > > Couple of other tips with virtual machines.. > 1) Lot cheaper way to learn about things like software mirring, stripe sets > etc.. than having to buy enough actual hardware to do it. > 2) Good way to learn/test things like Exchange disaster recoveries > 3) Can use virtual floppies for things like a PXE boot floppy for RIS > 4) If you are installing SBS into a virtual machine on Virtual Server.. be > sure to turn off VS's DHCP server so that it doesn't conflict with SBS > trying to install/configure DHCP. > 5) Keep in mind that VPC only support up to a 2g ISO image > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversysem/virtualserver/evaluation/virtualizationfaq.mspx > > Q. Does Virtual Server 2005 support non-Microsoft operating systems as > guests? > > A. Although Virtual Server 2005 can run virtually all major x86-based > server operating environments, Microsoft Product Support Services supports > only the following guest operating systems using Virtual Server 2005: > > . Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition > > . Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition > > . Windows Server 2003, Web Edition > > . Windows Small Business Server 2003, Standard Edition > > . Windows Small Business Server 2003, Premium Edition > > . Windows 2000 Server > > . Windows 2000 Advanced Server > > . Windows NT Server 4.0 with Service Pack 6a > > > > Q. Are virtual machine created with Virtual PC compatible with Virtual > Server and vice versa? > > A. Yes, virtual machines with either product are compatible, but when > using Virtual Server and Virtual PC together, there are several points to > consider: > > . Sound cards: Virtual Server does not include an emulated sound > card in its virtual machines, while Virtual PC does. If you will be using a > virtual machine on both Virtual Server and Virtual PC, you should disable > the emulated sound card in Virtual PC. This will prevent the sound card's > Plug and Play capability from causing errors on the virtual machine that you > created with Virtual Server. > > . SCSI support: Virtual Server provides SCSI support while > Virtual PC does not. If you create a virtual machine with virtual SCSI disks > on Virtual Server, the SCSI disks will be ignored if you move the virtual > machine to Virtual PC. This can lead to negative consequences in many > situations, for example if the virtual machine page file is on the SCSI disk > or if you are trying to use a SCSI disk as the startup disk. If you plan to > regularly move virtual hard disks between machines created with Virtual PC > and Virtual Server, we recommend that you attach the virtual hard disks only > to a virtual IDE bus in Virtual Server. > > . Saved States: Saved-state (.vsv) files between Virtual PC and > Virtual Server are incompatible. When moving a virtual machine between > products, be sure to completely shutdown the guest operating system. > > . CD-ROM drives: Although Virtual Server allows for virtual > machines with multiple CD-ROM drives, Virtual PC supports virtual machines > with only one CD-ROM drive. If you are moving virtual machines between the > two products, you should configure only a single CD-ROM drive on the virtual > machine and attach it to secondary channel 0, which is the default setting. > > > > -- > > Hope that helps, > David Copeland > Microsoft Small Business Server Support > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > > > SBS Newsgroups: > > SBS v4.x: microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz > SBS 2000: microsoft.public.backoffice.smallbiz2000 > SBS 2003: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message > news:e5PJYrIuEHA.2804@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > the possibilities are numerous if not infinite. > > > > In my scenario you would also create a VPC client machine for your tests. > > The VPC client would have a single NIC 'local only' to talk to the SBS > VPC. > > > > "Attila" <$email@example.com> wrote in message > > news:OzBvZlIuEHA.firstname.lastname@example.org... > > > Thanks that is kind of tip I am looking for. What confuses me though is > > > that if I install it on a worksation that is really connected to my > > > production SBS, then how do replicate the configuration of the ISA on > the > > > virtual PC running SBS? I am just trying to visualize it. The way I see > it > > > is that the real NIC would be the "outside NIC" on the Virtual PC SBS > and > > > the the second NIC could be its Inside one. So then I could hookup a > > > switch to the second VPN NIC? and another worksation to that to > replicate > > > a real enviornment. > > > > > > Isn't just easier to buy a cheap Dell PowerEdge SC if the money can be > > > made available? > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Attila > > > > > > > > > "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <email@example.com> wrote in message > > > news:O%23f15WIuEHA.3448@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > >> Yes, give the VPC 2 nics. One is 'local only' the other goes to the > real > > >> NIC. > > >> > > >> I actually suggest installing SBS with just the 'local only' interface > > >> live. Complete the SBS Standard install including major to-do list > items > > >> then shut her down and add the 2nd interface to VPC. > > >> > > >> "Attila" <$firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote in message > > >> news:%23LOc3RIuEHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > >>> In a reply to an eariler question on testing SBS settings, Andrew > > >>> recommended to perhaps try MS Virtual PC. So I just installed the > trial > > >>> version on one of my worksations. My question is, does anybody have > any > > >>> experience in using this with SBS 2003 or 2000? Especially in regards > to > > >>> using the ISA component, since it needs two NICS, and the workstation > > >>> does not. So can realistically test ISA using Virtual PC? > > >>> Since I have the eval version, I will give this a try, but I am just > > >>> looking for some feedback /experience. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> > > >>> Attila > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >