Re: overall install setup time?

From: Frank McCallister (anonymous)
Date: 08/22/04 

Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:17:15 -0500

Hi Dodge

Lets start with the printers. You say fixed IP. If they are easilychanged
then when you move to office set them to an address in the Internal LAN
default range 192.168.16.199 and 198 would do. Looking at the link I gave
you http://www.smallbizserver.net/Default.aspx?tabid=52 you can see that
the switch for the Workstations is separate and that is where the Printers
will go. When the Workstations join the Domain with the
http://servername/connectcomputer Wizard they will get all their DHCP and
DNS information from the server. When you get the server to the office you
will disable DHCP on the LAN side of the router and DMZ the router to the
Static IP you give the External NIC. If the Router is 192.168.1.1 then give
the external NIC something like 192.168.1.11.

Now when you run CEICW (before you join the Workstations) it will setup your
DHCP and the DNS forwarders for you.

The reason I do the installation work off site is it minimizes work
interruption for my customer and if I have to work out problems the customer
doesn't see that ;-) If you are IT staff you could just as easily do this on
site but leave the Workgroup running until the step where I take it on site.

Frank
"Dodge" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:a55401c487b4$54658960$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Frank, everything you say makes a lot of sense. I'm
> almost there... but I feel like a "dummy hub" myself in
> trying to understand this: In setting it up at office,
> then bringing it in as you describe... I'm not sure how
> the DHCP gets done. The existing setup has DHCP being
> served by the router - so to copy the 50 DHCP ip scope, 2
> IP's are fixed for printers, and then disable the
> router's DHCP - how is this done, when?, if you do a off-
> site, on-site install like you describe. From the MS
> setup manual: "However, do not disable the existing DHCP
> server until after Setup prompts you to do so. Otherwise,
> Setup will not be able to determine the IP address range
> currently used by your local network." ~ Dodge
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hi Dodge
>>
>>Yes I use a Dummy hub/switch connected to Internal NIC
> for Initial Setup
>>with External NIC disconnected until I run CEICW at my
> office where I
>>connect to Internet temporarily to download Patches,
> Trend etc. Then when I
>>get on Site I rerun CEICW on their Internet connection.
> The LAN setup should
>>NOT change as there is only a switch not a router there.
>>Yes I do ISA last for the reason you mentioned.
>>
>>Frank
>>"Dodge" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
>>news:a6e601c4879a$8980ced0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>>> Frank, so you do the much of the server setup at
> office.
>>> Do you use a spare switch to make a LAN for NIC to see?
>>> Also, in the begining of SBS setup tasks, if you're not
>>> connected to the real LAN and current router, how does
>>> SBS "take over" DHCP from router, and how does setup
> take
>>> care of setting the router with UPnP... if you're not
>>> connected to it during server setup?
>>> I also assume you install ISA last - to make sure
>>> everything is working, before introducing it into the
>>> mix? ~ Dodge
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>Hi Dodge
>>>>
>>>>Typically if I am installing for a customer I do the
>>> server off site at my
>>>>office. I fill out pages 60-65 of getting started guide
>>> in preconsultation
>>>>with customer before starting. Iuse the setup shown at
>>>>http://www.smallbizserver.net/Default.aspx?tabid=52
> when
>>> I get on site. I
>>>>usually complete the todo list at my office without
>>> installing ISA. Then
>>>>onsite I run CEICW again to setup Exchange and Internet
>>> for their Broadband
>>>>connection and then run connectcomputer Wizard on all
>>> boxes. After
>>>>everything is running smooth including Remote access I
>>> add ISA to the Server
>>>>and ISA Firewall Client to the Workstations. About
> three
>>> days should do it
>>>>if you have done it before. One in office and two on
>>> site.
>>>>
>>>>Frank McCallister
>>>>COMPUMAC
>>>>"Dodge" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>>>news:a6d001c4872d$01362420$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>> Workstations are all XPP SP1. Yes, do intend to
> install
>>>>> and run ISA - no special apps. Already have dual NICs
>>>>> installed.
>>>>> 3 times, huh? - Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>You don't say what OS the workstations currently are
>>>>> running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, if using Premium, then you must be planning on
>>>>> installing ISA. Do you
>>>>>>hve any special apps that may need to be dealt with?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have one nic or two?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would normally say as an answer - over a weekend.
> But
>>>>> you are putting
>>>>>>yourself in a tough spot because I would also
> recommend
>>>>> that if you have
>>>>>>never installed SBS before that you would want to
>>> expect
>>>>> to install it 3
>>>>>>times -- once to see and learn the process; a second
>>>>> time to do it right and
>>>>>>take good notes,; and then a third time to make sure
>>>>> your notes are correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
>>>>>>"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are
> seldom
>>>>> long"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dodge" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in
>>>>> message
>>>>>>news:a36f01c48713$6df7a0d0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> The vast pool of experienced installers will have
>>>>>>> answers... how long does install and setup take for
>>> SBS
>>>>>>> 2K3 Prem., currently at the point of starting to
> run
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> SBS setup wizard. Trying to figure out about how
> long
>>>>>>> it'll be before I'll have about 10 users, 2
> printers
>>>>> back
>>>>>>> up. New computer, not an upgrade. Previous
> networking
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> Windows Workgroup. Users need Internet acccess,
>>> email,
>>>>>>> shares, and printing ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>

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