Re: RAID Controller & Info

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From: root (postmaster_at_buchanangc.com)
Date: 06/28/04 

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:37:05 -0700

""Eric Sun [MSFT]"" <v-ericsu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> As the bug described, the Intel driver for SATA HD is the root cause. I
think there should be a update for this driver
> to be released by Intel.

Well it must have already been released as the problem no longer exists and
hasn't since about 3/1/04 with the Intel ICH5R non-RAID W2K3 drivers
available at that time.

> Currently, we still have not clear information of the update, however the
work around has been filed to temporary
> resolve this issue. As I said in my reply. to transfer the disk to dynamic
disk will get right function call
> IOCTL_STORAGE_GET_MEDIA_TYPES, so the issue will not occur any more.
>
> Hope the information helps. Have a good day!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Eric Sun,
> MCSE2000 / MSCA / MCDBA
> Microsoft Partner Support Professional
>
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> | From: "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com>
> | Subject: Re: RAID Controller & Info
> | Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:30:54 -0700
>
> | Right, "SATA Driver ......RAID volume". SATA HDs connected to a mobo
SATA
> | controller like the ICH5R on 875P chipset mobos and NOT in RAID
> | mode("standard IDE drive") do NOT suffer from this issue when using the
> | latest Intel ATA drivers for W2K3. I wonder which "SATA drivers" do
suffer
> | from this issue and under what circumstances?"
> |
> | ""Eric Sun [MSFT]"" <v-ericsu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:BX1I99NXEHA.304@cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl...
> | > Hi All,
> | >
> | > Thanks for your information sharing here. If the SATA issue you mean
is
> | that "Cannot run DCPromo because the
> | > SYSVOL partition is not formatted as NTFS" message appear during setup
of
> | Microsoft Windows Small Business
> | > Server 2003, it is a filed bug that is still in process.
> | >
> | > The issue appears to be with the SATA Driver responding to an IO
Control
> | Request that should only be handled by
> | > Floppy Drives. This causes the SBS Setup Logic to classify the RAID
volume
> | as a Floppy Drive. The Driver responds to
> | > the function IOCTL_STORAGE_GET_MEDIA_TYPES. Per the Win 2003 DDK, the
> | function
> | > IOCTL_STORAGE_GET_MEDIA_TYPES is used to:
> | >
> | > "Returns information about the geometry of floppy drives. For example,
> | only a floppy driver would handle
> | > IOCTL_STORAGE_GET_MEDIA_TYPES requests."
> | >
> | > The setup code actually believes that the RAID volume (in our case C:
> | drive) is a Floppy drive. The function
> | > IsFloppyDrive (in diskinfohelper.h) returns true when examining the
RAID
> | volume.
> | >
> | > This function is called from void CDiskInfo::InitObject( TCHAR*
szDisk )
> | >
> | > When using a standard IDE Drive or SCSI, GetLastError returned 1
> | (incorrect function/invalid function) after the
> | > DeviceIoControl failed which I assume means that
> | > IOCTL_STORAGE_GET_MEDIA_TYPES is not supported. When using the Intel
RAID
> | volume the function succeeds
> | > but no data is returned.
> | >
> | > The current workaround is to convert the Basic disk that is the System
> | Drive to a Dynamic Disk in Disk Manager.
> | > After converting the disk to dynamic disk, the DCPromo process and the
> | setup process worked fine.
> | >
> | > Hope the information is useful to you.
> | >
> | > Best Regards,
> | >
> | > Eric Sun,
> | > MCSE2000 / MSCA / MCDBA
> | > Microsoft Partner Support Professional
> | >
> | > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> | >
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> | > | From: "root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com>
> | > | References: <OjXfzaEXEHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>
> | <O79Oj4EXEHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>
> | > <uI2YJfJXEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> | <OBAG2tJXEHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>
> | > <uJl006JXEHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>
> | <#sU03pKXEHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> | > <uyB9p5KXEHA.2636@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>
> | <u7PcpLLXEHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl> <efo9BPLXEHA.2408
> | > @tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl> <#zxzYTLXEHA.2176@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>
> | > | Subject: Re: RAID Controller & Info
> | > | Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:28:33 -0700
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> | > | Xref: cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs:83275
> | > | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
<sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> | > | wrote in message news:%23zxzYTLXEHA.2176@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> | > | > Well one of the incidents reported to me was a Microsoft employee
> | > | > himself who probably knew what had installed.
> | > | >
> | > | > I'll give you his phone number. He's in your area.
> | > |
> | > | Please just have him post his findings here. I'll bet it was
non-mobo
> | > | [S]ATA controllers with or without SW/firmware RAID. Yes, I've
done a
> | much
> | > | more general Google search and that appears to be the issue. These
are
> | > | issues that I keep track of and if any such were being reported then
I'd
> | > | likely know it.
> | > |
> | > | > BTW Mountain Dew in September, don't forget.
> | > | >
> | > | > root wrote:
> | > | > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> | <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> | > | > > wrote in message news:u7PcpLLXEHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>" Explain how the Promise controller got involved with 'backup',
> | > | please."
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>When the OEM started doing SBS2k3 Premium on the SAME hardware
that
> | he
> | > | > >>did SBS2k3 Standard the backup was failing on the ones that had
> | > | > >>standard. The only thing the OEM could figure out was the data
> | transfer
> | > | > >>involved with the SQL because of the additional "stuff" the
shadow
> | copy
> | > | > >>was doing with the SQL. Never did figure that one out. He just
> | used
> | > | > >>another controller card model and it was fine after that.
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>The SATA without hardware card RAID was also reported in the
partner
> | > | > >>groups which aren't googlable as well as in private postings to
me
> | by
> | > | > >>various folks from various listserves.
> | > | > >
> | > | > >
> | > | > > Yes and I seriously doubt that claim. It's very likely not an
SATA
> | > | issue.
> | > | > > There was enough in Google to see what was being reported.
> | > | > >
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>Google doesn't have everything ;-)
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>root wrote:
> | > | > >>
> | > | > >>>"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> | <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> | > | > >>>wrote in message
news:%23sU03pKXEHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>Historical postings in this group for
> | > | > >>>>
> | > | > >>>>SATA drives
> | > | > >>>>Promise controllers
> | > | > >>>>
> | > | > >>>>SATA drives may cause issues during the install process [you
may
> | have
> | > | to
> | > | > >>>>flip the drive to dynamic to get the install to complete.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>I reviewed all those old threads in google. There is no real
> | relation
> | > | > >
> | > | > > to
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>SATA. What seems to have been reported and discussed was that
> | various
> | > | > >>>HW/firmware RAIDs were causing problems to SBS2003. When
SBS2003
> | was
> | > | > >>>presented with a RAID array to do an initail install upon then
the
> | > | > >
> | > | > > install
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>would fail unless the pre-existing HW/firmware RAID was changed
to
> | a
> | > | > >
> | > | > > dynamic
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>disk.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>SATA HDs unassociated with HW nor firmware RAID work fine on an
> | SBS2003
> | > | > >>>install and further they work fine using SBS0223's intrinsic SW
> | RAID 1.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > And
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>yes for one to use the intrinsic SW RAID 1 the HDs must be
> | converted to
> | > | > >>>dynamic. But that dynamic conversion and RAID 1 array setup
need
> | not
> | > | be
> | > | > >>>initiated until well after the install is complete and all is
> | stable.
> | > | > >
> | > | > > You
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>can keep the 2nd HD in a drawer until SBS2003 is all installed
and
> | > | > >
> | > | > > stable.
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>Later plug in the 2nd HD convert both to dynamic and initiate
the
> | > | mirror
> | > | > >
> | > | > > and
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>with less than a hour you got RAID 1.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>Check and make sure the Promise controllers are on the HCL.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>Don't panic if it's not. Check the Promise site to see if they
say
> | it
> | > | > >>>works.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>Also an
> | > | > >>>>installer who used the exact same Promise controller model
[sorry
> | I
> | > | > >>>>forget which one] worked perfectly with the SBS 2003 standard
but
> | > | > >>>>totally barfed the backup when layering on the ISA/SQL in the
> | Premium.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>Explain how the Promise controller got involved with 'backup',
> | please.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>In my network at the office, I have for the past three years
{?},
> | a
> | > | Raid
> | > | > >>>>1 and Raid 5 combo. Raid 1 for the OS [software based], Raid
5
> | for
> | > | the
> | > | > >>>>data [hardware based - adaptec controller card]. It's worked
like
> | a
> | > | > >>>>champ and I've been very pleased with it.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>A reasonable configuration.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>Ensure that whatever hardware you choose is on the Windows
2003
> | HCL
> | > | and
> | > | > >>>>then you won't go wrong.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>But you'll tend to be expensive and limited to a few sources
and
> | often
> | > | > >>>behind on current products.
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>There are many ways to do things in SBSland, Root.
> | > | > >>>>
> | > | > >>>>root wrote:
> | > | > >>>>
> | > | > >>>>
> | > | > >>>>>"Frank McCallister" <anonymous> wrote in message
> | > | > >>>>>news:OBAG2tJXEHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>Here we go again!! The last one went 79 posts. How many this
> | time
> | > | ;-)
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>What's even better is that you guys at least are no talkin
about
> | the
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>right
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>issue and that is [S]ATA RAID <VBG>.
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>An [S]ATA RAID controller is rather inexpensive but isn't
really
> | > | needed
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>for
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>RAID 1 as MS's intrinsic SW RAID 1 is so effective and one
> | doesn't
> | > | have
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>to
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>chase any special device drivers nor do any F6 driver
installs
> | during
> | > | > >>>>>SBS2003 install.. The mobo I've been using Asus P4C800-E Dlx
> | > | includes
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>an
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>onbaord Promise RAID chip which DOES have W2K3 drivers. But
I
> | don't
> | > | > >
> | > | > > use
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>it
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>for RAID 1. I use the SATA ICH5R for the two SATA HDs and
MS's
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>intrinsic SW
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>RAID 1. I use the Promise, which makes SATA HDs look like
SCSI,
> | > | for
> | > | > >>>>>removeable HDs in trays for backups etc.
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>"root" <postmaster@buchanangc.com> wrote in message
> | > | > >>>>>>news:uI2YJfJXEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> | > | > >>>>>>>news:O79Oj4EXEHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>RAID can be achieved through software.
> | > | > >>>>>>>>if you turn the disks to dynamic disks (read up on the
effects
> | of
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>doing
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>this)
> | > | > >>>>>>>>i have a price sensitive customer that uses this set up
using
> | raid
> | > | 1
> | > | > >>>>>>>>(mirrors the disk onto another.
> | > | > >>>>>>>>but the best way to accomplish this is to you a raid card.
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>A card offers little over the intrinsic SW RAID for RAID 1.
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>in UK you can get one for 40GBP (approx 70UDS) and this
will
> | take
> | > | a
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>fair
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>amount of the strain that software raid can suffer from
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>There is no 'strain' from SW RAID 1.
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>"Steve" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> | > | > >>>>>>>>news:OjXfzaEXEHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>Our organization has very limited funds. We have
purchased
> | > | SBS2003
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>premium
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>edition. We intend to install it on a Dell OptiPlex
GX240
> | 1.5
> | > | MHz
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>Pentium
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>4
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>w/768MB of PC133 memory. We purchased two new WD 80GB
> | 7200rpm
> | > | hard
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>drives
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>for this machine. What is the best way to set up these
> | drives?
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>Currently
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>our company uses a 30GB partition for data storage on a
> | Windows
> | > | > >
> | > | > > 2000
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>>>>>>server
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>and it is plenty. Can I set the drives up in some sort
of
> | > | > >
> | > | > > redundant
> | > | > >
> | > | > >>>>>>>way?
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>I've heard about RAID but don't really understand it? Do
I
> | have
> | > | to
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>buy
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>a
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>special controller for basic RAID. Should I just use one
> | drive
> | > | for
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>backup
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>purposes? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>TIA
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>Steve
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>>>>>
> | > | > >>>>--
> | > | > >>>>http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>>
> | > | > >>--
> | > | > >>http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> | > | > >
> | > | > >
> | > | > >
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
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