Re: NAT on SBS2003 not working

From: Randall Arnold (rgarnold_at_cathartis.com_)
Date: 06/13/04 

Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:57:41 -0500

Yeah, Frank, that's the setup I had before-- like I said, the modem died a
couple of days ago and I'm scrambling to get something working now.

The comunication between NIC and DSL: modem isn't an issue. In fact, right
after logging in after reboot I'm conencted (it's that seamless). From the
server I can access the internet and newsgroups just fine (obviously-- lol).
It's just that the clients aren't seeing the server's connection.

I swear I've followed Microsoft's instructions as correctly as I can figure.
There are a few places where their steps omit some detail that may or may
not be crucial (such as the vague instructions regarding DNS forwarders:
"type ANY remote IP address")-- I don't know. But the setup Susan provided
is vastly different than what's in the MSKB and Help (main KB article is
324264). I had an SBS2000 Best Practices book that covered this in great
detail, but a former employer kept it.

I'll try Susan's method today and see how that goes. Thanks.

Randall Arnold

"Frank McCallister" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:#ncVfyVUEHA.2988@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi Randall
>
> I have had some difficulty with PPPoE connections direct from server NIC
to
> DSL modem due to timing errors on server restart with connection being
> established quick enough. Note the time and do a server restart. Look in
the
> event viewers for any Binding errors after the restart. I always put an
> inexpensive router between the DSL modem and the NIC for two purposes. It
> maintains the DSL connection during restarts and it gives your External
NIC
> a static IP address. It can also provede some additional Firewall
protection
> but you have to be careful with ports in that case.
>
> Frank
> "Randall Arnold" <rgarnold@cathartis.com_> wrote in message
> news:ey5cwRRUEHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > First one is the external NIC. Second one is the actual PPPOE
connector.
> I
> > found it strange that I needed it setup this way, but internet access
> > wouldn't work any other way. Both internal and external NIC connectors
> were
> > established during Windows Setup, and the broadband (pppoe) connector
was
> > setup by the email & internet connection wizard. Once the Broadband
> > connector was setup, internet access was immediately available. I then
> > continued following the MSKB instructions for routing and NAT but, as
> noted,
> > no access was available to clients when I was done even though the
server
> > had full access.
> >
> > I looked at your diagram for 2 NICs, ISA, RasPPPOE and no router (my
> > situation) and see several differences between it and what the MSKB and
> > SBS2003 Help articles were recommending. Tomorrow I'll scrap this third
> > attempt at doing it the Microsoft way and give your method a try. I'm
> > surprised at the need for RasPPPOE given that the capability is built-in
> to
> > SBS2003 but maybe it's the built-in service that's the culprit here. Am
I
> > correct in assuming the NAT stuff isn't needed with your setup?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Randall Arnold
> >
> > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> > wrote in message news:#eb$fHRUEHA.2716@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Ethernet adapter DSL Modem Connection:
> > >
> > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Macronix MX98715-Based
Ethernet
> > > Adapter (
> > > Generic)
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C6-F2-2B-6C
> > > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > > Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.233.231
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 207.69.188.185
> > > 207.69.188.186
> > > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > >
> > > PPP adapter Small Business Broadband Connection 1:
> > >
> > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
> > > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
> > > DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.166.204.29
> > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 68.166.204.1
> > > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 207.69.188.185
> > > 207.69.188.186
> > > NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > >
> > > What are those two?
> > >
> > > Randall Arnold wrote:
> > > > 2 adapters (see original post). Thanks for the link-- I'll give
that
> > one a
> > > > shot. I'm getting desperate...
> > > >
> > > > Randall Arnold
> > > >
> > > > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> > > > wrote in message news:O5U3F9QUEHA.3976@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > >
> > > >>How many adapters are on this Server?
> > > >>
> > > >>And Mariette's site is offline right now...
> > > >>
> > > >>http://www.sbslinks.com/network.htm
> > > >>Try those pictures.... pick a 2 nic SBS 2000 setup.
> > > >>
> > > >>Randall Arnold wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Frank:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I set the server high because it was a late addition to the
network.
> I
> > > >
> > > > was
> > > >
> > > >>>running 3 clients serviced by an SMC Barricade router with no
server
> at
> > > >
> > > > all
> > > >
> > > >>>and 2 networked printers. I recently built the server and added it
> in;
> > > >
> > > > I
> > > >
> > > >>>selected .199 because it was well out of the range of IPs being
used
> at
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >>>time (I may change it though; I blocked out the lower 10 numbers).
> The
> > > >
> > > > SMC
> > > >
> > > >>>router just bought the farm and I'm scrambling to get internet
access
> > > >
> > > > back
> > > >
> > > >>>to the clients, hopefully w/o buying another router... but that's
> > > >
> > > > looking
> > > >
> > > >>>doubtful right now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Server IPCONFIG as follows (note that I may have some portions
> > > >
> > > > misconfigured
> > > >
> > > >>>due to experimentation when default settings wouldn't work):
> > > >>>
> > > >>>---------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>Windows IP Configuration
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : fs1
> > > >>> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : cathartis.local
> > > >>> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
> > > >>> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > >>> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > >>> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : cathartis.local
> > > >>>
> > > >>>PPP adapter RAS Server (Dial In) Interface:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
> > > >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
> > > >>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > > >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.11
> > > >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > > >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > > >>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Macronix MX987xx Family Fast
> > > >
> > > > Ethernet
> > > >
> > > >>>Ada
> > > >>>pter
> > > >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C6-F7-28-2C
> > > >>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > > >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > > >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > > >>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>> Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Ethernet adapter DSL Modem Connection:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Macronix MX98715-Based
> Ethernet
> > > >>>Adapter (
> > > >>>Generic)
> > > >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-80-C6-F2-2B-6C
> > > >>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > >>> Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > > >>> Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.233.231
> > > >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
> > > >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
> > > >>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 207.69.188.185
> > > >>> 207.69.188.186
> > > >>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > > >>>
> > > >>>PPP adapter Small Business Broadband Connection 1:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> > > >>> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
> > > >>> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
> > > >>> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> > > >>> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.166.204.29
> > > >>> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
> > > >>> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 68.166.204.1
> > > >>> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 207.69.188.185
> > > >>> 207.69.188.186
> > > >>> NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
> > > >>>--------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Test client 1 IPCONFIG:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>-------------------------------------
> > > >>>Windows IP Configuration
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : pc2
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : cathartis.local
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> > > >>>
> > > >>>IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > > >>>
> > > >>>WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> > > >>>
> > > >>>DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : cathartis.local
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : cathartis.local
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Description . . . . . . . . . . . : SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet
Adapter
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0A-E6-B8-A8-4C
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
> > > >>>
> > > >>>IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.82
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>>
> > > >>>DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>>
> > > >>>DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.199
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, June 12, 2004 6:46:21
> PM
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:46:21
PM
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >>>--------
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I am also testing another WinXP client, but it's IP info is so
> bizarre
> > > >
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > >>>not even messing with it right now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I can't see anything in this list that would prevent the client
from
> > > >>>connecting. In fact, the client's info is virtually unchanged from
> > when
> > > >
> > > > it
> > > >
> > > >>>was workign with the hardware router (emphasis on "working").
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Hope this helps though...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Randall Arnold
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>"Frank McCallister" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > >
> > > > message
> > > >
> > > >>>news:#GnwaWQUEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Hi Randall
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Post your ipconfig /all from the server and one of your
> Workstations.
> > > >>>>Curious why you set your server so high an IP (.199) ?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Frank McCallister
> > > >>>>COMPUMAC
> > > >>>>"Randall Arnold" <rgarnold@cathartis.com_> wrote in message
> > > >>>>news:uyBrqKQUEHA.2028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>Also, as I noted in another post, I get an error when trying to
> > connect
> > > >>>
> > > >>>to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>that site:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>DotNetNuke Upgrade Error
> > > >>>>>The Assembly Version ( [ASSEMBLYVERSION] ) does not match the
> > Database
> > > >>>>>Version ( [DATABASEVERSION] )
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>ERROR: Could not connect to database.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>SQL Server does not exist or access denied.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Continue
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Randall Arnold
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>"Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
> > <sbradcpa@pacbell.net>
> > > >>>>>wrote in message news:uZgz2FQUEHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Let them pick up their DHCP address from the server. They
aren't
> > > >>>>>>pointing their DNS to the server and thus can't find the
internet
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>www.smallbizserver.net is a great resource.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Randall Arnold wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I'm having the most difficult time trying to share my internet
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>connection on
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Small Business Server 2003.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I have the recommended 2 NICs, one for LAN and the other
> connected
> > > >>>
> > > >>>to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>the
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>DSL modem. The internet connection on the server works
> flawlessly.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>used
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>the internet and router wizards to setup routing and NAT,
> following
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>instruction in the MSKB to the "T". However, my Windows XP
> clients
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>can
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>not
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>access the internet using the server as a gateway, even though
> they
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>find
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>it
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>on the LAN just fine.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I have racked my brain on this, trying every possible option I
> can
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>think
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>of,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>but so far nothing has resolved this. I am on my third
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>uninstall/reinstall
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>of the required services and just about ready to trash the
whole
> > > >>>
> > > >>>thing
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>out
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>of frustration. The clients accessed the internet just fine
when
> I
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>used
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>a
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>hardware router; unfortunately it died and so I figured I'd
give
> > NAT
> > > >>>
> > > >>>a
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>shot
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>to see if it would do the trick as advertised. ICS does not
> appear
> > > >>>
> > > >>>to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>be an
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>option, since (contrary to what's stated in Help) I can find no
> way
> > > >>>
> > > >>>to
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>enable it.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Can anyone point me to a best practices guide that would be
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>beneficial?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>So
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>far I haven't found much for SBS 2003, and even Microsoft's
info
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>doesn't
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>cover the topic thoroughly enough.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Something that may be relevant: running Repair on the 2 NIC
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>connections
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>fails with an error that arp could not be updated. So far I
have
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>found
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>nothing to resolve that. Also, running Repair on the NIC
> > connecting
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>the
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>DSL modem returns an error about DHCP, saying the address was
> > > >>>
> > > >>>invalid
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>(I'm
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>getting its address from the ISP as recommended). IMO, local
> DHCP
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>shouldn't
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>even care about that NIC, so I'm lost on that one.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Anyway, any and all advice appreciated! If I had the funds I'd
> > just
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>buy
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>a
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>new router but I need my shared 'net up before the funds will
be
> > > >>>>>>>available...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Randall Arnold
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>--
> > > >>>>>>http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>--
> > > >>http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
> >
> >
>
>

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