Re: In need of 5 TS connections
From: Les Connor [SBS MVP] (les.connor_at_DEL.cfive.ca)
Date: 02/09/04
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:37:23 -0600
I'm not sure I follow, users can RWW and connect to what? If there were idle
xppro workstations on the lan, with the app installed, then that would be a
possibility. But if there are no unused workstations, the cost of installing
more workstations simply for rww access versus deploying a ts server might
start to tip in favour of ts for any more than 3 or so remote users.
Any you start to benefit from reduced administration as well: one ts server
versus x number of workstations.
If the ts is set up to host the user desktops, and the app is installed on
the ts, with the sql database on the sbs, then the app only needs be
installed once (not on every workstation), and the single instance store is
intact. Moving the ts users document storage to the sbs should be done as
well.
Remote users then use RWW to connect to the ts and have access to this and
any other apps installed on the ts. Like outlook for example. If you wanted,
you could move user desktops for the entire org to the ts.
-- Les Connor [SBS MVP] ------------------------------------- SBS Rocks ! "Tony Su" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:cd9901c3ee8b$ce742990$a401280a@phx.gbl... > You have a likely less expensive solution than what you > all are discussing here (TS Application Server). > > If the application has a SQL backend, then you should be > able to deploy the database on the SBServer (can be MSDE > or SQL) and applications on XP workstations. > > Do that, and your Users can RWW in and with a common > database, you have a single instance store to avoid > synchronization/contention conflicts. > > Tony Su > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >Hi Bob, > > > >Having the app run on the ts, using sql which is > installed on the sbs is > >fine. The ts machine and each user on the ts need an sbs > cal, each user > >connection also needs a ts cal. > > > >-- > >Les Connor [SBS MVP] > >------------------------------------- > >SBS Rocks ! > > > > > > > >"Bob Genestet" <bob_genestet@computernetorkservice.com> > wrote in message > >news:#2vbQKc7DHA.3704@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> Thanks again, Les > >> > >> FYI, the TS licensing server is running on my > actionpack 2003 Enterprise > >TS > >> in workgroup mode and I was able to add my additional > acpack licenses. The > >> only thing I had to do was add the TS licensing > component snapin from > >> Add/Remove Windows Components. The customers inventory > program runs very > >> well in TS. The inventory program has its own > proprietary database which > >is > >> to be ported to MS sql soon, which raises another > licensing question. Can > >> the app be installed on the TS and from a licensing > standpoint, access and > >> utilize the SBS2003 Premium MS sql? Definitely, a > question for licensing? > >> Thanks and have a good one, Les > >> Bob Genestet > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.connor@DEL.cfive.ca> wrote > in message > >> news:%23DF2c6b7DHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > >> > > and possibly have no cost for TS CALs. Now I have > to ask, will adding > >> > > SBS2003 Standard later create the need for > additional TS licensing, > >all > >> > > other things being equal? > >> > > >> > > >> > I would say not, but honestly I don't know. You know > that sbs cannot > >join > >> an > >> > existing domain, so at the very least you'd have to > be careful what you > >do > >> > if the w2k3 server goes in first. > >> > > >> > But I don't know how the ts license server works (or > if it does) on a > >> > workgroup server - AFAIK you need to make the SBS the > TS license server > >so > >> > that your SBS cals cover the w2k3 standard server. > >> > > >> > Probably, you are going to have to call licensing and > get an answer. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Les Connor [SBS MVP] > >> > ------------------------------------- > >> > SBS Rocks ! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "Bob Genestet" > <bob_genestet@computernetorkservice.com> wrote in message > >> > news:e8v1Iqb7DHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> > > Thanks Les, > >> > > That's a good idea. > >> > > The worst thing about selling TS is figuring out > how to license it. I > >> can > >> > > sell them this box with 2003 Stansard installed as > a workgroup server > >> and > >> > > use their XP machines they had prior to April 24, > 2003 as transitional > >> > CALs > >> > > and possibly have no cost for TS CALs. Now I have > to ask, will adding > >> > > SBS2003 Standard later create the need for > additional TS licensing, > >all > >> > > other things being equal? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks again, Les Conner and John LeMay > >> > > > >> > > Bob Genestet > >> > > "Les Connor [SBS MVP]" <les.connor@DEL.cfive.ca> > wrote in message > >> > > news:ukFjSLZ7DHA.1672@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> > > > Hi Bob, > >> > > > > >> > > > Sell your customer that old box so he can use it > for a TS in Apps > >mode > >> > > ;-). > >> > > > > >> > > > Set the TS box up as a member server by using the > wizard. This makes > >> > both > >> > > > the SBS and the TS accessible to Administrators > for remote admin via > >> > RWW, > >> > > > and makes the TS available to users via RWW. And, > it's all > >configured > >> > > > automatically via the SBS CEICW. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Les Connor [SBS MVP] > >> > > > ------------------------------------- > >> > > > SBS Rocks ! > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "Bob Genestet" > <bob_genestet@computernetorkservice.com> wrote in > >> message > >> > > >> > > > news:Om1h0bV7DHA.3804@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > >> > > > > Thanks again, John. > >> > > > > I think my NAT router must have made the > decision probably because > >> of > >> > > the > >> > > > > order of the forwarding entries. This is OK for > a demo to my > >> customer. > >> > > > > Getting back to SBS2003, will the TS service in > SBS2003 which is > >> stuck > >> > > in > >> > > > > Admin mode, allow two users to share the same > application in the > >> same > >> > > way > >> > > > a > >> > > > > TS in app mode will. I would really like to > see my customer with > >> > > SBS2003 > >> > > > if > >> > > > > he could limit his TS requirements to 2 users. > He can't afford 2 > >> > servers > >> > > > > right now. I don't understand why Microsoft > discontinued > >> application > >> > TS > >> > > > in > >> > > > > SBS2003. I just tested 6 open sessions on 2003 > Enterprise TS on > >an > >> > old > >> > > > 730 > >> > > > > mhz / 320 meg ram server and never ran much > above 20 CPU and 200 > >meg > >> > > usage > >> > > > > running the customer's database program. So, I > can't believe > >> > performance > >> > > > > loss is a valid reason for Microsoft to leave > it out of SBS2003. > >Was > >> > it > >> > > > the > >> > > > > $$$? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks again for the excellent discussions and > support from > >> Microsoft > >> > > > techs > >> > > > > and MVPs. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > Bob Genestet > >> > > > > "John LeMay" <jlemay@njmc.com> wrote in message > >> > > > > > news:MPG.1a8e380247d863e59896eb@news.cis.dfn.de... > >> > > > > > In article > <ezyskHS7DHA.1852@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, > >> > > > > > bob_genestet@computernetorkservice.com says... > >> > > > > > > This is OK, but I don't understand why or > how the > >> > > > > > > TS server is chosen over the SBS2003 TS > management session. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > How are you connected to the net? There must > be some device > >there > >> > > > > > responsible for nat. That device needs to be > configured to > >> redirect > >> > > > > > requests made on port 3389 to the appropriate > server. nat is a > >one > >> > to > >> > > > > > one relationship. Each port can only redirect > to one ip address > >> (in > >> > > most > >> > > > > > cases anyhow). You can however change the > port that TS is > >> listening > >> > on > >> > > > > > so you can enable multiple TS's on a single > public ip address. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > John LeMay > >> > > > > > kc2kth > >> > > > > > Senior Technical Manager > >> > > > > > NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557- > 4848 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >. > >
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