Re: Too many Master browsers?
- From: "Herb Martin" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:42:23 -0600
"Joseph Friess" <JosephFriess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ABDF1534-0C70-48D5-AF91-AA58A23B4B85@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>I have chekced everyhting you suggested and fixed a few things. I am still
> getting an occaiosnal browse list that has everyhtning execpt my local
> subnet, where the PDC is. With browstat and browcon, I can't find any
> errors.
> In Browstat, all master browsers also show up as backup master browsers.
> is
> that normal?
Yes. Most people don't know this but each Master Browser
is also one of it's own Backup Browsers.
The terminology is a little confusing, but the "Backup Browsers"
are the ones which actual give out the browse lists to the stations.
So in order to be among that group the Master Browser must also
consider itself as a Backup.
Odd that you are having a problem with the PDC-subnet. (I presume
you mean the PDC-Emulator as there is no PDC in Windows Server
AD.)
That is the most likely subnet to work correctly.
Check that the PDC-Emulator is running NetBIOS (it is or it wouldn't
work at all), that it is a WINS Client (shouldn't matter for a single
subnet though), that it is ONLY running ONE network protocol (e.g.,
IP) unless you are absoluting required to setup additional protocols
AND you do it correctly for each such protocol*, and that you don't
have any other 'fake' Domain Master Browsers such as some Samba
server running as this.
* Browsing it technically separate for EVERY PROTOCOL, so that
there are possibly different Master Browsers for each such protocol,
e.g., IPX or NetBEUI etc.
--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]
>> "Joseph Friess" <JosephFriess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:81B59C48-EBD8-42E5-976B-9C3F61B8592D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >I have 6 total subnets so I guess that makes sense. I do have WINS on
>> >both
>> > DCs running on my main segemnt where I am having the problem. Some of
>> > my
>> > servers see the entire browse list, and others only a partial list. Any
>> > Ideas?
>> >
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> 1) Make sure EVERY computer is a WINS client
>> -- including (especially) even the DCs and WINS server itself
>>
>> 2) Make sure EVERY computer enables NetBIOS
>> -- including (especially) even the DCs and other servers
>>
>> 3) Make sure you (2) WINS Servers are set to replicate & replicating
>>
>> Any machine that might conceivably become a Master Browser MUST
>> be a WINS client to be able to use WINS as a "rendezvous" or
>> locator service.
>>
>> Otherwise the Domain Master Browser (PDC Emulator) and the
>> the other Master Browsers (other subnets) will not find each other.
>>
>> Most common mistake is to think that DCs don't need to be WINS
>> clients (or even turn off their NetBIOS which is worse.)
>>
>> Or the same problem for "ordinary servers."
>>
>> If a server is not a "WINS Client" is will never register itself and
>> then cannot be found by the regulary clients (which are on other
>> subnets) too.
>>
>> --
>> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
>> Accelerated MCSE
>> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
>> [phone number on web site]
>>
>> > "Herb Martin" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Joseph Friess" <JosephFriess@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:9B7CD1B2-F86A-4AE8-BE17-98C363A42B5A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Many of my servers and clients on my main segment cannot see all of
>> >> > the
>> >> > computers in the network broswer list. I have AD2003 wit 2 DCs. here
>> >> > is
>> >> > the
>> >> > output on browstat status -v. I appears I have 5 master browsers! Is
>> >> > this
>> >> > possible?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Technically you SHOULD have:
>> >>
>> >> 1 Master Browser PER Domain PER Subnet PER protocol (IP, IPX,
>> >> etc).
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully if you only run IP (or all machines run all protocols)
>> >> this is one machine per domain per subnet.
>> >>
>> >> If not, you perhaps have a (personal) firewall problem that is
>> >> allowing some computers to be partially effective as Master
>> >> Browsers but somehow interferring.
>> >>
>> >> WINS Server is a practical requirement for Browsing to work
>> >> across SUBNETS.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
>> >> Accelerated MCSE
>> >> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
>> >> [phone number on web site]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Status for domain cfcu on transport
>> >> > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{A48D84C3-37D8-47E7-85D5-C61D24A1DA9B}
>> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> > Master browser name is: AD1
>> >> > Master browser is running build 3790
>> >> > 3 backup servers retrieved from master AD1
>> >> > \\CTYNAVTEST
>> >> > \\AD2
>> >> > \\MS1
>> >> > There are 82 servers in domain cfcu on transport
>> >> > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{A48D84C3-37D8-47E7-85D5-C61D24A1DA9B}
>> >> > Number of NT Advanced Servers: 2
>> >> > Number of OS/2 Domain controllers: 0
>> >> > Number of Windows For Workgroups machines: 0
>> >> > Number of Os/2 machines: 0
>> >> > Number of NT machines: 82
>> >> >
>> >> > Number of active WfW browsers: 0
>> >> > Number of browsers: 82
>> >> > Number of backup browsers: 23
>> >> > Number of master browsers: 5
>> >> > There are 5 domains in domain cfcu on transport
>> >> > \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{A48D84C3-37D8-47E7-85D5-C61D24A1DA9B}
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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