Re: Need Recommendations on NT4 > WS2003 Migration
From: Jeff Middleton [SBS-MVP] (jeff_at_cfisolutions.com)
Date: 02/19/05
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:49:37 -0600
I think what is revealled in your more extended comments is that you are
actually running both Novell and NT authentication services? If that's the
case, this is really a lot more of complication than an ideal solution. My
original impression was that you were attempting to exit the Novell on the
way to Windows 2003. Given the description you provide now, I think you
cannot do the methodology described at my website because of the interfacing
with Novell.
At some point I would recommend you give some consideration to simplifying
this concept. :)
"hkrause" <hkrause@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D82CD50B-F372-46E2-8094-B7D44A6F3541@microsoft.com...
> "Jeff Middleton [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>
> > Try this link to see if it helps you with the policy migration.
>
> Thanks, Jeff. I'll take a look, although the description doesn't sound
like
> this would apply to us. We don't have any policies configured on the NT
> server. All I need to move over are users (about 150) and groups (about
25,
> including the defaults).
>
> > One of the more complicated issue for making them migration with any
XP/W2k
> > workstations or servers moving from NT4 based Policy to AD based Group
> > Policy is the persistence of hard edit registry policies on those
machines.
> > The computer and user policies that were set by NT4 based config.pol and
> > NTconfig.pol files will remain in the last state unless you clear them.
>
> Are you talking about registry changes on the workstations? This might not
> apply to us (?) since we have no login script, policies, etc. on the NT
side.
> User accounts are used mainly for authentication to the ERP application
via
> (internal) Telnet. My main purpose in wanting to transfer the accounts is
so
> we don't have to redo everybody's passwords. Otherwise I'd just recreate
the
> user/group accounts manually on the new server... would probably take less
> than a day.
>
> > I didn't see a clarification about the Novell system leaving or not, so
I'm
> > not commenting on that. I thought you could buy Windows Server 2003 Web
> > Edition as Open License, but I didn't verify that.
>
> The Netware server stays and is the "main" server for all data storage,
> network printing, and internal email. After upgrading the Windows server
we
> will be looking to upgrade to Netware 6.5 on this machine. This server
> provides login scripts to map network drives, load various apps, etc. for
the
> user. No drives are mapped to the NT server and users don't access it for
> anything except the ERP app.
>
> > The best way to maintain your accounts, or frankly to bring the
migration
> > off the way you probably want to would be to add a temporary BDC to the
> > network, then in-place upgrade it to Win2k3. From there, you can bring
the
> > new server into the domain as another new W2k3 DC.
>
> So you're suggesting adding a 3rd (temporary) server with NT4 server
> installed as a BDC to the existing NT4 PDC? Then upgrade the temporary BDC
to
> Server 2003 and bring the new Server 2003 machine into the mix? Wouldn't
we
> need to obtain another copy of NT4 server for that? our existing copy is
OEM
> and came with the current NT4 server. Same question for 2003 server on the
> temporary machine. Sorry for the inane questions, but the MS licensing
> demands are pretty confusing and my company is very strict on this issue.
>
> > If you go to my website at www.SBSmigration.com, you will see an outline
of
> > how to accomplish this in such a way that the entire project can be done
> > offline from the production with the only downtime required at the point
you
> > move the data from the old server to the new one.
>
> Nice website. My brain hurts after looking through everything! ;-) My
main
> knowledge and admin work has been on the Novell side, so most of this is
> mind-boggling and probably overkill for our needs.
>
> I'm enrolled in MS-2273 (Managing and Maintaining Server 2003) next week
and
> more of this might make sense after the jump-start. I took MS-2208 last
week
> and have the demo CD to play with, so maybe I should experiment with the
temp
> server that I've setup. It's installed and running, but I've been
concerned
> about adding Active Directory or other features since I don't want to do
> anything to mess up the existing server!
>
> --
> Heather
>
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