Re: Roaming Profile Problem
- From: "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" <lanwench@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:57:47 -0500
In news:B6772FDD-9D5E-4D0E-8F66-2B0611381A49@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
Renus <Renus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> typed:
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Renus" <Renus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:04DB0ADB-5EB2-4FB4-BEB0-143299707083@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Lanwench,
>>>
>>> 1. Does size matter?
>>
>> LOL - yes.
> Ok. Assume that it does not matter in a small network.
But it does. It would matter if you had only one workstation and one user
with a 7GB profile. I support small networks for a living, so I'm fairly
familiar with them.
>>
>>> But anyway some users have 1 Gb, others have 2 to 7 Gb.
>>
>> Ouch. That's your problem. I keep them under 30MB whenever possible.
> Where does it say that roaming profiles have to be small?
>>
>>> 2. Why keep it small? I realize that it can compromise being fast
>>> but in our
>>> days it wouldn´t be a problem.
>>
>> It is. Every time a user logs in and out, think of your network
>> traffic. Think of I/O on your disks. Ouch.
> Medium network and only 5 of the 30 pcs are logging into the domain.
> Don´t worry about my disks and network traffic.
Well, you're reporting problems with something that is directly related to
same, so I can't really ignore it.
>>
>>
>>> 3. I have read a lots of posts made here about roaming profiles and
>>> always recommend folder redirection but what I think is that by
>>> using folder redirection looses the whole concept of roaming
>>> profiles.
>>
>> Not at all - apples and oranges.
> Explain better please.
Data doesn't belong in a folder in the user's profile, IMO - I like to keep
the latter as simple and small as possible, because they can and do get
corrupt from time to time. You don't have to use folder redirection, even -
if users consistently save things to mapped drives\UNC paths\whatnot, they
won't be storing anything in the profile. But "My Documents" is handy, and
is often used.
>>
>>> What if the network
>>> is down?
>>
>> Is this happening a lot?
> No
>> If so, offline files or similar.
>> Or DFS.
>> Etc.
>>
>>> What if the main disk on the server gets messed up?
>>
>> Why would you have a 'main disk' on the server? Hardware RAID.
>> What happens if a profile gets corrupt (as can indeed happen) in
>> your case? Lost data.
> How in roaming profiles can we do automated backups efficiently.
> Without just copying the network share?
Because you're backing up your server, and the profile path, and the data
paths, are on your server, and you're doing your backups on the servers.
>>
>>> By using folder
>>> redirection we are back to the time when we used shortcuts to share
>>> documents
>>> or to open files and folders and by using folder redirection does
>>> the access
>>> get faster?.
>>
>> What kind of files do your users worth with? How big are they?
>>
>>> The user likes to keep a copy of their files locally and on the
>>> server in case something goes wrong in one of the sides.
>>
>> Well, people like a lot of things, but this isn't up to users, or
>> shouldn't be. And your server should be operational.
>>
>>> On the other hand
>>> you can say that for backup and logging purposes it is faster using
>>> folder redirection.
>>
>> Yes. And use roaming profiles. Both.
> Ok but in the case of using folder redirection should I activate
> Offline Folders in case something goes wrong with the server?
I don't like offline files, but it's your call. I don't see the point, and
have had far too many problems with offline files. I don't recommend it.
>>>
>>> I hope you don´t understand me wrong but I am trying to get a
>>> solution for the problem by using roaming profiles.
>>
>> I always use roaming profiles, I always use folder redirection, and
>> it works fine. If you have a good network, good server hardware, and
>> practice good administrative principles, you shouldn't have a
>> problem.
> I have checked the event viewer on the clients and there are no
> errors to syncronyze problems.
But do you see any uservenv errors at all?
> Instead of using folder redirection, is there a way of telling by
> Group Policies not roam certain folders? Which do you recommend? And
> it what way can I do it? This would speed the logging in and ou?
You can, but I don't know where exactly you do this - I never bother. I just
keep the profiles small and they work. Try posting in a group policy NG for
more help.
Not sure why you are so averse to what is usually considered to be a pretty
standard setup, but it's your network.
>>>
>>> 4. Offline file caching is disabled everywhere (client and server)
>>> 5. I am going to check the events and get back to you with the
>>> errors
>>>
>>> For now I think I have explained it all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> René Fernandes
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Renus" <Renus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:2E939C79-F5BA-4704-ACF5-4EC364BFBCFD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Working on a Windows 2003 Server. Clients work with WinXP SP2.
>>>>> Using Roaming
>>>>> Profiles.
>>>>> 1. Everytime Users try to Log On it takes longer than expected.
>>>>> 2. Any changes to the profile it only reconciles correctly after
>>>>> a few logoffs.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have tried:
>>>>> 1. Installing the User Profile Hive Cleanup Service and it does
>>>>> not solve.
>>>>> 2. Checked the Offline folder on Server profile share
>>>>> 3. Checked permissions on the Profile folder (everyone,
>>>>> administrators, etc)
>>>>> 4. Checked NTFS Encrypted something and it is not enabled.
>>>>> 5. Checked User PC´s for Offline Folders and it is Disabled.
>>>>> 6. Checked DNS Setting on Client PC and it is correctly
>>>>> configured. (Some
>>>>> PCs take longer than others.)
>>>>> 7. Tried to reduce the size of User folder but it does not solve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a suggestion for this ??? Or should I abandon
>>>>> roaming profiles ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> René Fernandes
>>>>
>>>> How big is the user profile folder on the server (check this when
>>>> the user
>>>> is logged out - you may need to take ownership as Administrators,
>>>> and then
>>>> re-assign NTFS permissions so that Admin, System, and <the user>
>>>> have Full
>>>> Control). You really want to keep them tiny, tiny, tiny.
>>>>
>>>> Use folder redirection (ideally via group policy) so My Documents
>>>> (at least - may also wish to redirect Desktop) is pointing at the
>>>> users' home directories.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure offline file caching is *disabled* on the profile share
>>>> on the server even if you've disabled offline files on the clients.
>>>>
>>>> Check your event logs for userenv errors on the clients.
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