Re: Off-Site Duplicate Server Setup

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From: Tim Net (google_at_cfapostle.com)
Date: 02/25/05 

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:28:40 -0500

The co that I work for is kinda tight on the bucks and our version is so out
of date that updating is a $erious proposition.

In Asigra, I don't really see the delta. I only see that there is a big
file there that was slightly changed hence the difference is small. To
restore the multi diff master file is just a click.

Does your version of Veritas have the autonomy to run on a remote system
like a Laptop over dialup? I would probably look back at Veritas if that
autonomous functionality is already around.

Thanks for your info on it.

Tim

"Jeff Cochran" <jeff.nospam@zina.com> wrote in message
news:42203d1f.907929143@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:24:37 -0500, "Tim Net" <google@cfapostle.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Our version of Veritas cannot capture files that are in use and hence a
>>bare
>>metal restore is not possible. There may be a newer version, but we don't
>>have it.
>
> There is, there are and you can upgrade. :)
>
> Buying the appropriate product is part of the problem you face.
> Veritas has a brand new version of BackupExec, plus there is an open
> file option available, as well as a bare metal product, intelligent
> disaster recovery, etc.
>
>>Three options that I have explored:
>>1. - Microsoft Data Protection Server
>>2. - Microsoft ADS
>>3. - Asigra
>
>>On Veritas, MSSQL and Oracle databases won't get backed up UNLESS you
>>create
>>a job to dump them. Asigra builds that functionality into their client.
>>ADS and DPS have no problem with them.
>
> Veritas also has a SQL connector to handle backups of MS SQL
> databases. Plus, the normal process for databases is backing up the
> database as a database management task within the database, then
> backup the backup files to tape/disk/offline/whatever. Modern
> databases have pretty decent disaster recovery options.
>
>>Veritas and ADS don't not have a notion of the File Delta that DPS and
>>Asigra do. Hence, if you have a 100 MB MS Access DB that changed by 1K
>>last
>>night, ADS and Veritas get the full 100MB. Asigra and DPS get the ~1K.
>
> Which is good until restoration when you need to restore the original,
> then each delta.
>
>>Veritas is built on Tape systems. DPS, ADS and Asigra are 'other' storage
>>systems and can include IDE, SCSI, RAID, NAS or SAN. Going with a
>>Non-serial, Non-tape storage like Asigra allows multiple restore/backups
>>to
>>commence simultaneously with tremendous speed.
>
> Veritas does backup-to-disk as well.
>
>>Yesterday, I backed up the Full system state, Services, and 5 GB of data
>>in
>>a little over 7 minutes. I set a job to run on the client every 15
>>minutes
>>which then takes a little over 1 minute to recapture the Full system
>>state,
>>Services, and the file changes.
>
> If you need a full system state backup every quarter hour, you should
> likely have a live replicated server available.
>
>>I am hopeful that today or Monday I will do exactly what you are asking
>>about. To take one of the 'point in time' backup points and restore it to
>>the same hardware profile on the rack.
>>
>>At this point I am obviously leaning toward Asigra, though I am still open
>>to alternatives.
>
> If Asigra meets your needs it's a valid option. Go for it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>>"Daniel" <groups@madridmadridsoleado.com> wrote in message
>>news:eltDOQxGFHA.2620@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Disaster Recovery (DR) can be a headache. IMO, the best solution is to
>>> have a 2nd site with a VPN linking it to the 1st. Put a domain
>>> controller
>>> at the DR site so that all AD info is replicated. Then each night,
>>> replicate the changes on the file servers to the DR file servers. Every
>>> time you install an application on a server or a users computer at the
>>> primary site, you have to make arrangements for this to be done at the
>>> DR
>>> site.
>>> More work but it provides a total DR solution.
>>>
>>> DR should be tested by the users often.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>> MCSE, MCP+I, MCP in Windows 2000/NT
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> remove the 2nd madrid from my mail address to contact me.
>>>
>>> "asdf" <dfsa@sadf.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%sxTd.4374$hk6.684@fe09.lga...
>>>> Our client wants the quickest possible access to their data in case of
>>>> a
>>>> disaster occuring.
>>>>
>>>> We are considering the following suggestions:
>>>> 1. Backup their exchange mailboxes, store and data as well as system
>>>> state
>>>> to DLT.
>>>> Move DLT tape to our office on the daily basis. In the office we
>>>> will
>>>> have an exact duplicate
>>>> of their machine with the same OS/exchange/hotfixes/service packs. In
>>>> case of disaster we recover Exchange info and data.
>>>> However the downside of this setup is that their miscellaneous
>>>> applications used on the server wont be restored.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Solution 2 is what we really want to make work:
>>>> In this solutions Veritas would backup _entire_ server (sort of like
>>>> Ghost
>>>> making image of the drive) to the DLT
>>>> tape every day. We would bring the tape to our office on the daily
>>>> basis.
>>>> We
>>>> would also keep the exact
>>>> replica of their machine in our office. In case of disaster we would
>>>> restore
>>>> entire server to the spare machine from one of
>>>> our own machines with a DLT drive.
>>>>
>>>> My question is: Does Veritas have capability to make 'image' of the
>>>> entire
>>>> drive? Or is the solution 1 the only way to accomplish what we want.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you much in advance for all suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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