Re: DependOnService to DNS does not work 2003R2

Glad I could help...
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I hope that the information above helps you

Good Luck
Jorge Silva
MCSA
Systems Administrator

"Junior" <Junior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Jorge,

thank you for the links. They opend my eyes (in some way). Not the one
with
the inpossibility to delay dns, but in the fact, that promoting an
exchange-server after installation is no good idear (cause even microsoft
does not know what then is not working any more "may result in loss of
some
Exchange functionality and is not supported. KB822179"). A warning before
installation of Exchage or DCpromo would have been nice.
I will try to find out if Unistall and Install will help, open a new case
in
Exchange Setup or put my head in sand.

Thank you for your help.


"Jorge Silva" schrieb:

Inline
Somehow I did not understand why it should not be emphasized to run an
Backup-DC on Exchange. Is it not save to open only one Port on a
Mail-Server?
If not I will not use Exchange anyway?
You need to open that port to receive and send mails, the problem might
be
related witth the fact that you're running Exchange in a DC, which
complicate a little bit things, especially regarding to startup problems
and
performance issues.
Here are some options about it:
http://blogs.brnets.com/michael/archive/2005/01/24/319.aspx

http://www.petri.co.il/problems_with_exchange_2003_installed_on_domain_controllers.htm

http://www.petri.co.il/slow_shutdown_of_exchange_2003_server_installed_on_dc.htm


And
where is the difference to SBS 2003 - MS product for small companies?
There
is even the PDC, global infrastructor and file-service on it? Did they
all
risk their infrasturcture? Should I ask this in exchange or in Small
B.
IMHO - SBS goes against all security roles. Running ISA Server on DC,
Running Exchange on a DC, Running SQL In a DC where you have a Exchange
and
ISA, Etc. Don't Get me wrong, I think that SBS is an excellent product
that
MS created to respond to small enterprises, otherwise they would nee to
buy
Server for Exchange, ISA, DC, SQL and they would need seperate licenses
to
these prodeucts, etc. MS Created the SBS with a single licensing model
which
responds to small enterprises needs, of course this doesn't mean that SBS
is
an easy target for hacking, but the probability of be compromised is
bigger
than a Seperate Security structure.


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I hope that the information above helps you

Good Luck
Jorge Silva
MCSA
Systems Administrator

"Junior" <Junior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Jorge,

Somehow I did not understand why it should not be emphasized to run an
Backup-DC on Exchange. Is it not save to open only one Port on a
Mail-Server?
If not I will not use Exchange anyway? Or what else could be a reason?
And
where is the difference to SBS 2003 - MS product for small companies?
There
is even the PDC, global infrastructor and file-service on it? Did they
all
risk their infrasturcture? Should I ask this in exchange or in Small
B.
Server ng?

GC is also on my mail server. I used DCdiag and netdiag without errors.
DCdiag /test:dns will write warnings on reverse lookup on forwarders -
but
this is by firewall. Name-resulutions works. (Somehow I could als not
imagine
how it sould be possible to install an AD-Backup on an server when DNS
does
not work properly?). My AD does not work only when I start my Mail,
without
my PrimaryServer up before, and only while my local DNS is not up. Then
W32Time, Netlogon DNS and Topology-Errors will come up -> nothing
unexpected;
DNS is not up and is not waited to come up (by the way I tried DNS,
although
in conjuncture with DNScache, which both I would expect must be
available).
After logon I could start failed Exchange-services manually as I would
have
expected - DNS is then allready up. For that reason I configure
Netlogon,
W32time and my Exchange-Services as desribed earlier (and found in
differen
KB-Articles), to be dependant on DNS. And this dependencies had been
displayed by SC and in services properties. But this does not work any
more
(or not on my machine. DNS allways starts last!!!! As I believe my
machine
is
nothing special (fresh installed 2003R2, only AD, DNS, WINS, Exchange,
WWW.
all SPs/Rollout and Updates, nothing more!!) I believer there is an bug
in
the depend group-startup-implementation, which wil also come up on
different
other installations. Also the fact the netlogon is device-type could be
a
problem (by design - has this been changed?). So somehow I could not
believe
to be the only one, having the problem that it is not possible to wait
on
DNS
started before netlogon, w32time and my exchange services with
DependOnService. (By the way: That this dependencies are inserted
automatically I would have expected to be done automatically on
installing
an
local DNS Server. It is more likle the local DNS comes up than a remote
one,
which could be down or misconfigured/unreachable by router/gateway
misconfigs
or an broken network-cable. My primary role is to develop software, not
to
understand internal dependencies of services an create registry entries
which
allready should be there.)

Thank you for you help.

"Jorge Silva" schrieb:

also run:
Dcdiag and netdiag and check if there're any output errors, another
thing
is
the GC, make sure that you have a GC available.

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I hope that the information above helps you

Good Luck
Jorge Silva
MCSA
Systems Administrator

"Junior" <Junior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Jorge,

yes, cause I would like to have this server running all time (behind
firewall, only smtp open). On backup (cold) it would not come up any
more
when my primary is not up. So its a backup dc. Go now out. Will be
back
tomorrow. Thanks for your response.



"Jorge Silva" schrieb:

Are you running AD on Exchange server?


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I hope that the information above helps you

Good Luck
Jorge Silva
MCSA
Systems Administrator

"Junior" <Junior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Jorge,

I forgot to write that the primary is allready configured as
secondary
DNS
in my Mail-Server-Notebook, but I start my backup-dc
(Mail-Server-Notebook)
while my primary dc is down. If it is up, everything works fine.
But
I
would
have expected that a backup could work perfectly without a
primary
in
normal
operations (not changing), cause this is normaly the purpos of a
backup.
On a
restart of my Mail-Server it should not be dependend on a runnig
Primary
which could possibly be down.

"Junior" schrieb:

Hello Jorge,

thanks for your suggestion, but the other DNS server is my
primary
domain
controler which I normaly want to shut down the night (power
consumtion).
Only my mail-server (runnign on a notebook) should continue to
run.
Ok
it
runs without, once started no further errors arise, but what
kind
of
SW
(or
administrator) is this, not beeing able to change the order of
the
services.
By the way, I checked my settings with sc and dns was listed as
dependend
service in netlogon/w32time and my Exchange-Services. As a last
resort
I
also
added dns in the group of netlogon, (may be only dependencies
between
members
groups are allowed). But nothing happens. Not nice.
"Jorge Silva" schrieb:

Hi
Yeahhh... That could be annoying... Do you have another DC DNS
server
in
your network? If yes, make the secondary preferred DNS server
on
the
NIC
properties pointing to the other DC DNS server and the problem
should
disappear.

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I hope that the information above helps you

Good Luck
Jorge Silva
MCSA
Systems Administrator

"Junior" <Junior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I tried to delay my Netlogon/W32Time and Exchange-Services to
wait
on
DNS
Start.
This is needed cause it should be an independend Server (is
BackupDomainControler with DNS installed). DNS is configure
on
local
machine.
Even I registered DependOnService (REG_MULTI_SZ) in Netlogon
and
in
the
Exchange-SA Service. But nothing happens. DNS is the !!!
LAST
!!!
service
started.
And all the nice errors come up. As a resutl I have to start
Exchange
manual
after logon. Whow nice.
Did somebody else have such a problem, or am I the only one?















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