Re: Stand Alone Internet DNS Only?

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thank you Herb

you have been madnificent!
I completely understand now thanks to your patience and kindness to help
me.


You are welcome.

We actual helping people who want to learn.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

Thanks again
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Thanks million Herb!

I will need to ask just another question here.

so how would you add the domain if the ZONE doesn't match the Domain Name
for resolution to an IP?

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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So the Zone name doesn't matter

Well, it matters to YOU, but not to DNS.

You are creating a zone because you need to server
or resolve names for that zone.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]



"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Actually I am going to leave it there I just needed to know how to
do
this.
And quite frankly I still need a little more practice. I want to
print
this
for my notes.

lts go to step two
Installing the DNS.

Let's say I am running the configure your server wizard and now it
asks
me
for the Zone and I select Primary and then it will ask again the
zone
name.
In this box in my case what would I put here DNS1 or Madgig.com or
DNS1.madgig.com?

The name of the ZONE (not the server.)

So presumably that would be Madgig.com but tomorrow
(or in a few minutes) you could add ANOTHER zone and
call it pretty much anything you wish (that works for you)
such as Madgig.loc, or Private.tst or even SomeDomain.com

That server can hold as many ZONES as you wish.

Each ZONE is roughly equivalent to what most people think
of as a DOMAIN (but there is a slight different between the
meaning of zone and DNS domain).

Thanks :) and to reassure you I am leaving it at the registrar.
Much
easier.

Most of the work is done for you in that case.

You now get to ADD your A records for things like
WWW.Madgig.com or MX records for email server
(and the A record etc.) or FTP or....

If you just do that at the Registar like you (now) plan
then they worry about hardware and backups and hackers
trying to compromise the DNS service etc.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]


Joe

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ok Success! I got the naming thing down.

Now do I go to my registrar and add an A record for DNS1 with
the
public
IP?


[Darn, I wrote a REALLY good answer and then Outlook
crashed <grrrrr>]

You have to get the NS and the A record to the PARENT
zone -- you do that at the registrar but not in the zone they
hold their (for you) -- that's worthless as soon as you change
your glue records at the parent zone.

NS maps domain name to the authoritive DNS Server name(s)
A maps for each DNS server name maps to IP address of that server

But you really should leave it at the registrar.

REALLY!

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

Thanks Herb for hanging in there

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ok Herb I am getting somewhere

I cannot name the server it will not allow it in that format
I chose DN1.madgig.com

Well, then it DID allow it in "that format" because that is
precisely the form I recommended.

You did that in the SYSTEM Control Panel right?

Name woul be DN1 and DNS domain name (or suffix)
would be madgig.com?

Where do I go from here. This is the actual problem

Now, you must make sure it is listed in Madgig.com as
DN1 with it's PUBLIC IP address AND that whenver
you register a zone you provide THIS name and THIS
IP as the glue record set (for this server.)

Technically these names are pretty arbitrary. They
key is to get is all consistent.

AND notice that you will use the SAME GLUE record,
i.e., SAME NAME no matter what ZONE you setup.

THIS server now has a name you have chosen but it can
hold the zones for dozens or even thousands of domain
names.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]


Thanks
Joe

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Herb thanks but I am no further than before

I am so frustrated at this.Because I have done so much
already

You may be just flailing -- changing things without reason
or understanding, and not keeping a record of exactly what
you change and the results.

Start a log of ALL changes and ALL tests. Write it down.
(Preferably on the computer and not on paper, but be sure
to
SAVE frequently in case you reboot <grin> Been there, done
that.)

I know how this sounds it sounds like I am an idiot.

No, it sounds like you are inexperienced.

Either way, or even if you are a genius, those are just
facts
that really don't matter. The problem is still technical
and
can be solved through VERY EXPLICIT attention to detail
and SIMPLICATION of the tests.

Questions like these are for a person setting up his
first
Microsoft
DNS
for
External use. And there are NO tutorials like this
excellent
one
here
http://www.visualwin.com/AD-Controller/
for a guy like me.

There are probably millions of those -- certainly it's
discussed in books like the OReilly "DNS and BIND"
(and I am sure many online places.)

This has been going on since LONG before Microsoft
entered the IP & Internet business.

However I am the gentleman who did the FrontPage
Tutorials for
this
site
and
I manage more than you might think.

Please go to www.dnsreport.com and do a DNS report on
gethemail.com

Notice no errors? Notice 2 MX records? Notice that I
could
have
named
them
anything I wanted? such as MX01.gethemail.com or
MX02.gethemail.com
as
you
so
stated. I am very familiar with this I also manage a
block of
public
IP's
and
have no problem with this. And they are NAT'ed through a
firewall
and
much
more.


However I cannot grasp (to save my life here) how to get
a
microsoft
DNS
prepared for the Internet.

Just like any other DNS server. From the OUTSIDE it is NO
DIFFERENT.

The online REAL difference are the GUI tool (DNSmgmt.msc)
you
use to set it up AND a (VERY) few details of the exact
features
versus other DNS servers (which likely make no difference
for
your
purposes.)

So is this why simpleDNS was created?

Not really easier. Your problems are NOT "MS related" but
conceptual issues with DNS in general (i.e., lack of
experience
problably is the only real issue, but that lack is GENERAL
DNS
not Microsoft.)

Anyone who understands DNS can use the MS GUI to perform
the task just by clicking around.

Let's Scrap the whole thing
Step one
What should I name the server?

Something.yourdomain.com

How should I name the server

In the SYSTEM CONTROL Panel as far a THE server is
concerned.

In the DNS zone where it lives as far a DNS is concerned.

In the PARENT zone give the NS and A record as far as the
RECURSION/glue/parent is concerned.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

Thanks
Joe

"Herb Martin" wrote:

I think I got this between posts messing with it.
Still a
few
questions
remain.

1. I renamed the server madgig as it is in my
registrar
madgig.com

Then in general that is not the BEST choice of name
(althogh
legal).

It should be something.Madgig.com (e.g., ns1.madgig.com
or
www.madgig.com) but it can be simple madgig.com TO
OTHERS
if you wish.

But as a Windows machine it needs a "base name" AND a
DNS
suffix. So server (base name) plus the domain suffix is
what


.

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