Re: Stand Alone Internet DNS Only?

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ok Success! I got the naming thing down.

Now do I go to my registrar and add an A record for DNS1 with the public
IP?


[Darn, I wrote a REALLY good answer and then Outlook
crashed <grrrrr>]

You have to get the NS and the A record to the PARENT
zone -- you do that at the registrar but not in the zone they
hold their (for you) -- that's worthless as soon as you change
your glue records at the parent zone.

NS maps domain name to the authoritive DNS Server name(s)
A maps for each DNS server name maps to IP address of that server

But you really should leave it at the registrar.

REALLY!

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

Thanks Herb for hanging in there

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ok Herb I am getting somewhere

I cannot name the server it will not allow it in that format
I chose DN1.madgig.com

Well, then it DID allow it in "that format" because that is
precisely the form I recommended.

You did that in the SYSTEM Control Panel right?

Name woul be DN1 and DNS domain name (or suffix)
would be madgig.com?

Where do I go from here. This is the actual problem

Now, you must make sure it is listed in Madgig.com as
DN1 with it's PUBLIC IP address AND that whenver
you register a zone you provide THIS name and THIS
IP as the glue record set (for this server.)

Technically these names are pretty arbitrary. They
key is to get is all consistent.

AND notice that you will use the SAME GLUE record,
i.e., SAME NAME no matter what ZONE you setup.

THIS server now has a name you have chosen but it can
hold the zones for dozens or even thousands of domain
names.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]


Thanks
Joe

"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Herb thanks but I am no further than before

I am so frustrated at this.Because I have done so much already

You may be just flailing -- changing things without reason
or understanding, and not keeping a record of exactly what
you change and the results.

Start a log of ALL changes and ALL tests. Write it down.
(Preferably on the computer and not on paper, but be sure to
SAVE frequently in case you reboot <grin> Been there, done
that.)

I know how this sounds it sounds like I am an idiot.

No, it sounds like you are inexperienced.

Either way, or even if you are a genius, those are just facts
that really don't matter. The problem is still technical and
can be solved through VERY EXPLICIT attention to detail
and SIMPLICATION of the tests.

Questions like these are for a person setting up his first Microsoft
DNS
for
External use. And there are NO tutorials like this excellent one
here
http://www.visualwin.com/AD-Controller/
for a guy like me.

There are probably millions of those -- certainly it's
discussed in books like the OReilly "DNS and BIND"
(and I am sure many online places.)

This has been going on since LONG before Microsoft
entered the IP & Internet business.

However I am the gentleman who did the FrontPage Tutorials for this
site
and
I manage more than you might think.

Please go to www.dnsreport.com and do a DNS report on gethemail.com

Notice no errors? Notice 2 MX records? Notice that I could have
named
them
anything I wanted? such as MX01.gethemail.com or MX02.gethemail.com
as
you
so
stated. I am very familiar with this I also manage a block of public
IP's
and
have no problem with this. And they are NAT'ed through a firewall
and
much
more.


However I cannot grasp (to save my life here) how to get a microsoft
DNS
prepared for the Internet.

Just like any other DNS server. From the OUTSIDE it is NO
DIFFERENT.

The online REAL difference are the GUI tool (DNSmgmt.msc) you
use to set it up AND a (VERY) few details of the exact features
versus other DNS servers (which likely make no difference for your
purposes.)

So is this why simpleDNS was created?

Not really easier. Your problems are NOT "MS related" but
conceptual issues with DNS in general (i.e., lack of experience
problably is the only real issue, but that lack is GENERAL DNS
not Microsoft.)

Anyone who understands DNS can use the MS GUI to perform
the task just by clicking around.

Let's Scrap the whole thing
Step one
What should I name the server?

Something.yourdomain.com

How should I name the server

In the SYSTEM CONTROL Panel as far a THE server is concerned.

In the DNS zone where it lives as far a DNS is concerned.

In the PARENT zone give the NS and A record as far as the
RECURSION/glue/parent is concerned.


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

Thanks
Joe

"Herb Martin" wrote:

I think I got this between posts messing with it. Still a few
questions
remain.

1. I renamed the server madgig as it is in my registrar
madgig.com

Then in general that is not the BEST choice of name (althogh
legal).

It should be something.Madgig.com (e.g., ns1.madgig.com or
www.madgig.com) but it can be simple madgig.com TO OTHERS
if you wish.

But as a Windows machine it needs a "base name" AND a DNS
suffix. So server (base name) plus the domain suffix is what
you want to have in the System control panel.

2. I then added a suffix of com and rebooted the server.

Probably a poor choice -- see above. Server1 with suffix of
Madgig.com
makes more sense (usually.)

3. Now I have a server name of madgig.com which is a name that
can
be
resolved on the internet.

True -- as I said it CAN work.

Next question where does the NS1 come from is this an A record I
must
enter
into the DNS?

NS1 is JUST an example. It is common for DNS servers,
especially on the Internet to be named nsX.example.com
or dnsY.example.com etc. Not a rule nor even a suggestion,
just an example.

[Where X is some integer number.]

Sort of like email servers on the Internet TEND to be named
mailX, or smtp, or smtpX, or similar but again they can be
named anything (consistent.)

When running the configure your server wizard you are asked for
the
Zone
so
what do you enter there? NS1?

No, (see above) -- ns1 is just a SAMPLE name FOR the name server
(name server #1) and would be the name on an A record in the zone.

What about Glue for the DNS server

GLUE goes at the PARENT. When you ask the Registrar to
set YOUR server (ns1.example.com) or whatever to be the
authoritative server then this change gets made in the parent
zone (e.g.: .com) so that those seeking your resources will
find "." (the ROOT is written as DOT), then find the GLUE
from the Root (".") to COM where they find YOUR GLUE
for your zone.

Glue records are NS records (and possibly the A record to
go with it.)

Since I am behind a router what are the IP'S isp or C class from
the
router?

Ugh.

[Stuff like this, and questions like this keep convincing
me that your DNS BELONGS at the Registrar.]

If your DNS server is behind a NAT (which what I think
you mean above) then you MUST give the PUBLIC address
of the (outside of the) router.

If your DNS has a public address then give that instead.

Of course if you are behind a NAT, you must setup your
port forwarding (AKA: service definition, address mapping,
port mapping, or something similar depending on the router
vendor and version) to the DNS server.

TCP and UDP port 53 from external requests mapped to
those ports on the DNS server.

--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Herb,


MADGIG
+ Forward Zones
Madgig.com
+ Reverse Lookup Zones
etc...

When running the configure your server wizard you are asked for
the
Zone
so
what do you enter there? NS1?

What about Glue for the DNS server

Since I am behind a router what are the IP'S isp or C class from
the
router?


Thanks again Herb
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Hello Kevin,

This is where I am confused how can Slovaunwhite be resolved on
the
internet.
There is no slovaunwhite.com registered so how would adding a
suffix
help
me
the name of the server will still be slovaunwhite. not
NS1.slovaun.com
which
is registered

This is my actual problem.

This is a workgroup server and it's netbios name in "Computer
name"
in
the
system applet. so do I click "change" and add the suffix to a
name
that
is
not on the internet?

Is there a tutorial on this somewhere? I looked for days before
I
came
here.

Could you please walk me through this step by step
1


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