Re: Stand Alone Internet DNS Only?

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Kevin,

This is where I am confused how can Slovaunwhite be resolved on the
internet.
There is no slovaunwhite.com registered so how would adding a suffix help
me
the name of the server will still be slovaunwhite. not NS1.slovaun.com
which
is registered

This is my actual problem.

Then don't name it that. When you tell your registrar to
set a zone (any zone, every zone) to have your DNS Server
as a Primary or Secondary it is going to need the DNS
name of that server AND the Address.

These will be used to add the NS record (using the DNS
name) and the A-record (If Necessary, i.e., the first time)
to the PARENT zone, presumably .Com.

Com (or whatever parent will want your servers DNS
name so why not give it THAT name NOW. This name
is SOMEWHAT arbitrary as long as it can be resolved
on the Internet.

It can be in a zone the server holds, or in a zone held
elsewhere (it's the first case where you need both the
A and the NS record, not just the NS).

Go to the SYSTEM CONTROL panel and give your
server a legitimate (read: resolvable) domain name.
Make sure there is an A-record in that domain/zone
for the particular server name: ns1.example.com
(or whatever.)



--
Herb Martin

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello Kevin,

This is where I am confused how can Slovaunwhite be resolved on the
internet.
There is no slovaunwhite.com registered so how would adding a suffix help
me
the name of the server will still be slovaunwhite. not NS1.slovaun.com
which
is registered

This is my actual problem.

This is a workgroup server and it's netbios name in "Computer name" in the
system applet. so do I click "change" and add the suffix to a name that is
not on the internet?

Is there a tutorial on this somewhere? I looked for days before I came
here.

Could you please walk me through this step by step
1
2
3 ?
Please.
Thanks Kevin.
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Hello Kevin,

Thanks for your reply.

This is in the event viewer

Event Type: Warning
Event Source: DNS
Event Category: None
Event ID: 414
Date: 4/9/2006
Time: 11:13:09 PM
User: N/A
Computer: SLOVAUNWHITE
Description:
The DNS server machine currently has no DNS domain name. Its DNS name is
a
single label hostname with no domain (example: "host" rather than
"host.microsoft.com").

You might have forgotten to configure a primary DNS domain for the server
computer. For more information, see either "DNS server log reference" or
"To
configure the primary DNS suffix for a client computer" in the online
Help.

While the DNS server has only a single label name, all zones created will
have default records (SOA and NS) created using only this single label
name
for the server's hostname. This can lead to incorrect and failed
referrals
when clients and other DNS servers use these records to locate this
server by
name.

To correct this problem:
1) open Control Panel
2) open System applet
3) select Computer Name tab
4) click the "Change" button and join the computer to a domain or
workgroup; this name will be used as your DNS domain name
5) reboot to initialize with new domain name

After reboot, the DNS server will attempt to fix up default records,
substituting new DNS name of this server, for old single label name.
However, you should review to make sure zone's SOA and NS records now
properly use correct domain name of this server.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

What I am gathering here is this must be a Domain Controller before I can
proceed with any type of DNS?

Does this help out for my poor expalinations.

Thanks very much
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Herb Thanks for your help and insight.I really didn't expect that long
of an
answer but very much appreciated!

I do use GoDaddy for my DNS and it works well but there is going to be
a
time (I believe) that I am going to need a set of external DNS and yes
I am
fully aware of needing two or more servers. And Yes you are correct web
interfaces are very helpfull; Godaddy has one of the best.

I already host plenty of sites and webmail along with two mail servers.
As I mentioned I was more familiar with AD DC DNS and I do not see in
the
basic setup of server 2003 where it is throwing me off is I am ending
up with
the netbios ServerName. I am behind the routers SPI firewall and I was
reading abou ports 135 and 53.

So when or if? I set up my DNS I really need the answer to the
NS1.mydomain.com syntax problem for me in my brain.

I am familiar with A ,MX records and PTR and Domain keys and all that
neat
stuff.

However I am unfamiliar on getting this Windows DNS server in the
correct
format for the internet.

So would you be so kind as to help me?

Thanks for your reply,

Joe


"Herb Martin" wrote:

"Joe" <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hello,

I am in need of some guidence here please.

I want to set up a Windows Internet DNS server only to host web
sites.

Make you life EASY and your DNS more reliable and
correct:

Leave your INTERNET DNS at the ***REGISTRAR***.

For most companies (those without giant Internet presence)
this is the right thing to do.

If you setup your own DNS you really should setup TWO (or
more) and you should place them on DIFFERENT subnets with
multiple connections to the backbone etc.

However the only DNS that I have ever used is AD DC and I am
wondering if
I
need to install AD to have these DNS servers answer queries on the
Internet?

No, should you choose to ignore my advice above you can
certainly use MS DNS as an ORDINARY (non-AD) DNS
server.

For an ODD reason in the case of one domain I do this myself
(despite my usual advice).

Also since I have just used Windows DNS for internal AD DC how do
I get
the
syntax example >> NS1.Mydomain.com I do however remember when
setting up
my
DNS servers before that I made them >>> local.mydomain.name

Generally you are going to create the zone that corresponds to your
REGISTERED domain name, i.e., YourExample.Com and add the
DNS server as the NS record with it's own A record then all of the
other records (SMTP, HTTP, FTP etc.)

BUT TRUST ME -- leave it at the REGISTRAR and you will be
better off in practically all cases (especially for those admins who
need to ask about this <really>.)

The reason for the REGISTRAR (and not the ISP) is also that
the registrars usually have all of the following advantages (over the
common ISP setup):

1) Web interface where YOU get to make your own changes
(i.e., it's under YOUR CONTROL)

2) Multiple high-speed connections to the Internet, fault
tolerant
hardware, true 24/7 support with someone who actually
answers the phone AND can do something about your problems

And you already paid for the service when you bought your domain
name.

If you don't have a better choice (for you) go with GoDaddy.com

[The only issue I have really had with GoDaddy.com is their recent
tendency (twice last month) to make SECURITY CHANGES without
going through ANY CHANGE CONTROL process or notification.]

I have a registered domain already and is in use but not as a DNS
FQDN.

FQDN really means that the name is fully specified INCLUDING the
"." on the end, i.e., example.com. and not just example.com or
serverName.

If you have a Registered name you have a Domain Name and can
qualify it as you like.

If the name is currently held on the Registrars servers then LEAVE
IT THERE (or consider returning it there.)

Also what is done with the Forwarders that usually get the ISP's
DNS are
they left blank? I am just trying to discxern for the two
applications

Generally a PUBLIC DNS server (should you still wish to create
your own) does NOT service client requests for names it doesn't
hold (it neither recurses nor forwards) but only answers requests
for it's *OWN* zone names.

So, using forwarders is NOT an issue and you should generally
DISABLE both "recursive and forwarded" requests in the Advance
tab of the server. (DO NOT do this for internal DNS servers,
although you MIGHT choose to check "Do not use recursion" on
the forwarders tab IF you use forwarders.)

Do you really want people to query YOUR server for resolving
Google.com?

If not, then DISABLE recursion (and forwarding).


--
Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
Accelerated MCSE
http://www.LearnQuick.Com
[phone number on web site]


any help would be great thank you!
Joe





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