Re: Wanting to place my hosted web on my server

I sure Thank you is not enough, but Thank you. I'm traveling today so I will
start again when i get home. I think the part I was missing for the test was
the :80 or :90 like you said. I only have the one so I will key in on
George... Thanks so much for your time.

Mark

"Charlie Tame" wrote:

> Quick answer to a couple of points, sorry, not all of them :)
>
> Let's guess your router is 192.168.0.1 and your other machines are
> 192.168.0.10 and 100 respectively. They are name Fred and George.
>
> From inside the local network you would likely type in 192.168.0.1 to get to
> the router setup page. From outside the local network there may be some
> specific things you have to do so I can;t help there because I don't have
> one of those Linksys models.
>
> Now, if the FTP server is on Fred (10) you should be able to type in
> ftp://192.168.0.10 or FTP://Fred but from outside the net it will have to be
> ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx which is whatever your WAN IP address is. I think from
> what you said earlier any of the 5 IP addresses your ISP allocated will do
> that.
>
> NAT or network address translation is what the router does when that request
> for FTP hits it - it looks to see if it has a port allocated for FTP on any
> of the local machines and if it does it "Translates" the incoming WAN IP to
> the local network IP. It's really more complex but I think that will do for
> explanation.
>
> Now, if your webserver is on the same machine it will be http:// followed by
> the same as before from inside or outside the local net, but if it's on
> George then the local addresses will change to 192.168.0.100 and "George" as
> above. From outside though the IP will stay just the same, because the
> router will change the address to the local one which has been stored as the
> one with port 80 open. This is what port forwarding does.
>
> Again this is vastly oversimplified but your ISP is doing roughly the same
> thing in order to give you 5 IP addresses :)
>
> The "Proper" IP port addresses (21 and 80) are assumed by the use of ftp://
> and http:// but you could run the webserver on a different port - say 90, in
> which case the address to reach it would be http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:90 and
> you would then HAVE to type the colon 90 part. So you could run 5 webservers
> on say xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 (Default) :90, :100 etc if you wanted, or else you
> could replace the last xxx with your 5 IP addresses and use port 80 for all
> of them. It is as if the combination of address and port together make a
> complete address.
>
> Obviously these are only examples, not suggestions, and for your purposes I
> think simply using one IP with FTP webserver and mail might be the sensible
> option. I would also think all will run on the one machine, but once the
> domain is directed to your IP the router will sort out what goes to which
> port on any machine you choose.
>
> Anyway have fun, it's late and I don't think I screwed up anything but if I
> did I don't doubt it will be corrected :)
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
> "Mark" <Mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:DE3A90DA-AABF-48BF-81AE-AD5F18249DFA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > All I can say is WOW again. You experts on servers are very kind. NOW,
> > That
> > answer leaves me with a couple more(7 or 8) questions(go figure).
> >
> > My server, with business ADSL(I guess) came with 5 static IP's.
> >
> > 1.The server stands alone. (couple pc's on that nework)but the server, is
> > not the ISP. Bellsouth is.
> > 2.The server connects to a modem and there is a Linksys wireless Router
> > involved.
> > 3.I have logged into the router from here (remote) and opened port 21,
> > when
> > I set up the FTP. I used the 192.. address on the router page,. FTP works
> > fine.
> > 4. While reading directions for setting up a web. I created the new
> > web(create new) from IIS, and it configs automatically on the IIS at port
> > 80,
> > with all assigned IP's.
> > 5.I logged into the router and set app. web port 80, and assigned my
> > 192....(IS that what you mean forward to the correct IP?)
> > 6.NOW....What do you mean...(.NATed) and what do I look for to make sure
> > that is taken care of?(Yep, make sure that the router/NAT (and firewall if
> > it
> > is built in)
> >> point port 80 to the correct server in your business. ). Welp. I think I
> >> did that, doesn't it sound that way??
> > 7.You can test locally: from one machine try to open your 'new' web
> >> page. Use an IP address, or the server's local name. It shoudl open up
> >> if the server is configureed correctly.
> > OK... Not sure.. this should be simple. If I type in the 192...,that says
> > no.. if I type in one of the 5 static ip's that says no. That tells me I'm
> > either doing that wrong, or I'm not getting the clue. How do I test
> > locally?
> > Ya see, I can log into the server, go to the directory, where the web is,
> > browse the index file and Voila' it works. But, I can't get the web to
> > just
> > open up, from remote or the pc that is inline(same workgroup.)
> >
> > OK, I'm NOT doing the local thing right. What did I miss? What should I be
> > doing to check it locally. Are you saying when logged in and I type the
> > 192...the web should just flop open. or one of the 5 static..63.xx.xx..
> > Well
> > I'm a failure. crap.
> >
> > I know I should get this. I can just tear into a PC, but, this one last
> > thing is just killin me.
> >
> > Thanks for listening to this sob story. Feel free to give up, cause
> > someday
> > I'll figure out what's wrong.
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > "PeterD" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:36:16 -0700, "Mark"
> >> <Mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Nope, It is a business web site, that very very few, would log into, It
> >> >is a
> >> >stand alone server with no games. Just Quickbooks. I want my business
> >> >website
> >> >to be on it. It is hosted by another company. I am afraid to have them
> >>
> >> Your ISP? Or the inhouse IT people (that's you, right? <g>)
> >>
> >> >transfer it to my 192....,
> >>
> >> Let's say you are talking your ISP. Your IP with them is what they
> >> will use. Let's say you have a ADSL line. Your modem connects to them
> >> (the ISP) through the phone line. The modem probably contains a basic
> >> router, and this is assigned the IP address for your Internet IP. The
> >> output of the router is typically NAT'ed to your 192 range. There's a
> >> firewall in there, too.
> >>
> >> >because I am not sure I have done everything
> >> >needed.
> >>
> >> I know what you mean, you're sure something won't work, but don't know
> >> what! <g> No magic here, take a quiet time and do it.
> >>
> >> >Like I said. from IIS I made a new site,
> >>
> >> On a local server wiht a 192 IP? That is then going through your NATed
> >> Router? If yes, then the router/NAT box must forward port 80 to the
> >> correct IP address--the address of your web server.
> >>
> >> >opened port 80, chose all
> >> >assigned IP's, now is there something else needed, before I have my host
> >> >point this at my IP?
> >>
> >> Yep, make sure that the router/NAT (and firewall if it is built in)
> >> point port 80 to the correct server in your business. Make sure that
> >> if that server has a firewall running (such as the one in
> >> Windows/Windows Server, or a third party software firewall) then also
> >> open port 80 in that one.
> >>
> >> You can test locally: from one machine try to open your 'new' web
> >> page. Use an IP address, or the server's local name. It shoudl open up
> >> if the server is configureed correctly.
> >>
> >> >Could it be that simple. There will not be more then 1
> >> >or 2 hits a day. Thats why I see no need for hosting outside. I do not
> >> >need
> >> >to reboot. If I do, I'm right there. AM I done????
> >>
> >> Probaably not... <g> but sometimes you have to just jump in and find
> >> the problems. Test the system locally first. If it doesn't work
> >> locally then it cannot work from outside. <g> (basic logic...) Get the
> >> local server setup to provide web pages locally first. Then have the
> >> ISP point things to your IP. Set your router/NAT/firewall to pass port
> >> 80 to the correct server, adn you should be working.
> >>
> >> At least it works well for me. <g>
> >>
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
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