Re: Wanting to place my hosted web on my server

Quick answer to a couple of points, sorry, not all of them :)

Let's guess your router is 192.168.0.1 and your other machines are
192.168.0.10 and 100 respectively. They are name Fred and George.

>From inside the local network you would likely type in 192.168.0.1 to get to
the router setup page. From outside the local network there may be some
specific things you have to do so I can;t help there because I don't have
one of those Linksys models.

Now, if the FTP server is on Fred (10) you should be able to type in
ftp://192.168.0.10 or FTP://Fred but from outside the net it will have to be
ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx which is whatever your WAN IP address is. I think from
what you said earlier any of the 5 IP addresses your ISP allocated will do
that.

NAT or network address translation is what the router does when that request
for FTP hits it - it looks to see if it has a port allocated for FTP on any
of the local machines and if it does it "Translates" the incoming WAN IP to
the local network IP. It's really more complex but I think that will do for
explanation.

Now, if your webserver is on the same machine it will be http:// followed by
the same as before from inside or outside the local net, but if it's on
George then the local addresses will change to 192.168.0.100 and "George" as
above. From outside though the IP will stay just the same, because the
router will change the address to the local one which has been stored as the
one with port 80 open. This is what port forwarding does.

Again this is vastly oversimplified but your ISP is doing roughly the same
thing in order to give you 5 IP addresses :)

The "Proper" IP port addresses (21 and 80) are assumed by the use of ftp://
and http:// but you could run the webserver on a different port - say 90, in
which case the address to reach it would be http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:90 and
you would then HAVE to type the colon 90 part. So you could run 5 webservers
on say xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 (Default) :90, :100 etc if you wanted, or else you
could replace the last xxx with your 5 IP addresses and use port 80 for all
of them. It is as if the combination of address and port together make a
complete address.

Obviously these are only examples, not suggestions, and for your purposes I
think simply using one IP with FTP webserver and mail might be the sensible
option. I would also think all will run on the one machine, but once the
domain is directed to your IP the router will sort out what goes to which
port on any machine you choose.

Anyway have fun, it's late and I don't think I screwed up anything but if I
did I don't doubt it will be corrected :)

Charlie



"Mark" <Mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> All I can say is WOW again. You experts on servers are very kind. NOW,
> That
> answer leaves me with a couple more(7 or 8) questions(go figure).
>
> My server, with business ADSL(I guess) came with 5 static IP's.
>
> 1.The server stands alone. (couple pc's on that nework)but the server, is
> not the ISP. Bellsouth is.
> 2.The server connects to a modem and there is a Linksys wireless Router
> involved.
> 3.I have logged into the router from here (remote) and opened port 21,
> when
> I set up the FTP. I used the 192.. address on the router page,. FTP works
> fine.
> 4. While reading directions for setting up a web. I created the new
> web(create new) from IIS, and it configs automatically on the IIS at port
> 80,
> with all assigned IP's.
> 5.I logged into the router and set app. web port 80, and assigned my
> 192....(IS that what you mean forward to the correct IP?)
> 6.NOW....What do you mean...(.NATed) and what do I look for to make sure
> that is taken care of?(Yep, make sure that the router/NAT (and firewall if
> it
> is built in)
>> point port 80 to the correct server in your business. ). Welp. I think I
>> did that, doesn't it sound that way??
> 7.You can test locally: from one machine try to open your 'new' web
>> page. Use an IP address, or the server's local name. It shoudl open up
>> if the server is configureed correctly.
> OK... Not sure.. this should be simple. If I type in the 192...,that says
> no.. if I type in one of the 5 static ip's that says no. That tells me I'm
> either doing that wrong, or I'm not getting the clue. How do I test
> locally?
> Ya see, I can log into the server, go to the directory, where the web is,
> browse the index file and Voila' it works. But, I can't get the web to
> just
> open up, from remote or the pc that is inline(same workgroup.)
>
> OK, I'm NOT doing the local thing right. What did I miss? What should I be
> doing to check it locally. Are you saying when logged in and I type the
> 192...the web should just flop open. or one of the 5 static..63.xx.xx..
> Well
> I'm a failure. crap.
>
> I know I should get this. I can just tear into a PC, but, this one last
> thing is just killin me.
>
> Thanks for listening to this sob story. Feel free to give up, cause
> someday
> I'll figure out what's wrong.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Mark
>
>
> "PeterD" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:36:16 -0700, "Mark"
>> <Mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >Nope, It is a business web site, that very very few, would log into, It
>> >is a
>> >stand alone server with no games. Just Quickbooks. I want my business
>> >website
>> >to be on it. It is hosted by another company. I am afraid to have them
>>
>> Your ISP? Or the inhouse IT people (that's you, right? <g>)
>>
>> >transfer it to my 192....,
>>
>> Let's say you are talking your ISP. Your IP with them is what they
>> will use. Let's say you have a ADSL line. Your modem connects to them
>> (the ISP) through the phone line. The modem probably contains a basic
>> router, and this is assigned the IP address for your Internet IP. The
>> output of the router is typically NAT'ed to your 192 range. There's a
>> firewall in there, too.
>>
>> >because I am not sure I have done everything
>> >needed.
>>
>> I know what you mean, you're sure something won't work, but don't know
>> what! <g> No magic here, take a quiet time and do it.
>>
>> >Like I said. from IIS I made a new site,
>>
>> On a local server wiht a 192 IP? That is then going through your NATed
>> Router? If yes, then the router/NAT box must forward port 80 to the
>> correct IP address--the address of your web server.
>>
>> >opened port 80, chose all
>> >assigned IP's, now is there something else needed, before I have my host
>> >point this at my IP?
>>
>> Yep, make sure that the router/NAT (and firewall if it is built in)
>> point port 80 to the correct server in your business. Make sure that
>> if that server has a firewall running (such as the one in
>> Windows/Windows Server, or a third party software firewall) then also
>> open port 80 in that one.
>>
>> You can test locally: from one machine try to open your 'new' web
>> page. Use an IP address, or the server's local name. It shoudl open up
>> if the server is configureed correctly.
>>
>> >Could it be that simple. There will not be more then 1
>> >or 2 hits a day. Thats why I see no need for hosting outside. I do not
>> >need
>> >to reboot. If I do, I'm right there. AM I done????
>>
>> Probaably not... <g> but sometimes you have to just jump in and find
>> the problems. Test the system locally first. If it doesn't work
>> locally then it cannot work from outside. <g> (basic logic...) Get the
>> local server setup to provide web pages locally first. Then have the
>> ISP point things to your IP. Set your router/NAT/firewall to pass port
>> 80 to the correct server, adn you should be working.
>>
>> At least it works well for me. <g>
>>
>> >
>>


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