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Exceptions to the rule sure, exceptions when it comes to HA - NO WAY!

Cheers,

Rod

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
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"Ramon Jiménez [MVP]" <rjimenezm_en hotmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Russ,

I respect you. Your opinion is very valid and I would support it in most
of the cases...BUT...there are always exceptions.

When a company wants to win a deal/contract in the 1st savings bank of a
country, you don't argue with the customer challenging about their
operational procedures. They have been working for years that way and it
works. You only have to accept them or do not apply the RFP in any case.
Putting Windows was not a requirement. FTP in every host it was. Even
though I do not like it or it could seem ridiculous to your/my eyes.

Years later, while I was in MSFT as MCS consultant, I even saw MSFT
changing products features (DNS logging in Windows 2000, Outlook XP IMAP4
behaviour, other) on requests on this same customer.

As I told you, sometimes you have to be humble, do not challenge with
arrogance (even though you are 100% right) your customer and be flexible
in order to provide the best sewrvice your custiomer requires from you.

For me, being customer focus has helped in my professional career.
Maintaining "taliban" positions (no matter if you are right or not) could
help in many cases but not in many others.

Just my 0.02 cents

Ramon

"Russ Kaufmann [MVP]" <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Ramon Jiménez [MVP]" <rjimenezm_en hotmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hi Russ,

It seems we are talking about different things here.

When I say MSCS is a MUST I mean that there were services that had to be
clusterized: File Services,. Print Services, SQL, other.
Till now, is it clear?

Then, once we have an scenario where we have systems clusterized and
systems non clusterized, you have to solve the problem that, for
operational procedures, ALL systems in the enterprise MUST have an FTP
server. This is out of discussion because when they published the
requiremetns in the RFP and different vendor applied, all of us knew we
had to implement this. So, it is a yes or yes (implementing a FTP Server
in every host).

Is is still clear?

Nope, because this is not necessarily a business requirement. This is
where you put in an RFI to properly identify the business need for this
and get it excluded. Why in the world would any company want to put FTP
on each and every single host? It doesn't matter if they are a
current/former mainframe company. It is a bad solution and is against all
sorts of best practices. More than likely, they need some help redefining
their processes as part of the migration to Windows.

Now, you have to put in place the requirement: of FTP with Windows 2000
(no matter if it MSCS or not): easy task.

That is a rediculous requirement.

As time goes by and they request a migration to Windows 2003, you still
ahve to take into acount that you have to maintain the requirements
forced by Operational procedures, that is, every single Host (virtual or
not) has to hold a FTP Server.

No, you have to keep in mind that they need to learn how to use Windows
and not use FTP for everything. They need to learn how to use their new
operating system and not try to force it to work like their old ones.

Customer forced this requirement before any proposal arrived, no matter
if it was based in Linux, Novell or Windows, every single host had to
hold the FTP site for operational procedures. FTP was not need for high
availability purposes

Again, it is a bad requirement and there is a root cause behind it that
is probably pretty lame and can be fixed. Never, ever, ever, have I seen
a business need that requires that all servers have FTP on them.

--
Russ Kaufmann

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Website
http://msmvps.com/clusterhelp - Blog





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