Re: Daylight Savings Time 2007 and Windows 2000 Server...

That argument I can get behind and is quite similar to some stuff I have been saying "behind the scenes". One of the responses that I heard that makes some sense is if you are going to trade in your used car in a month and it will be a month overdue for the oil change, do you do it? What if you are very busy and doing so it will actually be taking time away from other things that you must get done for other long term goals? I am not saying that is a great argument but it is a little understandable. I agree that certainly MSFT should have been working on this by at least last summer and had it all ready for folks by 4th quarter so they could have deployed it at the end of the year during holiday slowdowns etc when a lot of IT work occurs in larger orgs.



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xyz250@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Good points Joe, and I understand Microsoft's position about
supporting old OSes. I agree that far fewer software compaines
support older versions of their software as well as Microsoft. But
let's not forget one small detail: this change to the Daylight Savings
Time algorithm was first enacted by the US Congress in August of
2005. Microsoft has had over a year and a half to not only develop a
patch for this problem but to also thoroughly test it and develop the
additional tools needed to make this transition seemless. A lot of
the confusion that surrounds this problem stems from the lack of
understanding as to how the patch works in conjunction with the
additional tools. Furthermore, by releasing the patch and tools as
close to the "zero hour" as they have, Microsoft has put IT staffs in
a tough position, forcing support staffs that may not have the proper
time to dedicate to understanding this problem to scramble to deploy a
solution.

On Feb 7, 6:39 pm, "Joe Richards [MVP]" <humorexpr...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
The KBs indicate how to manually update 2K.

I understand your frustration about not offering a patch for 2K, but MSF
is also a business. At what point do they cut off that patch? Should
they patch NT4? What about Window ME? Windows 98? Windows 95? Windows
3.11 for workgroups? Windows 3.10? DOS 6? DOS 3? I have seen every one
of those in production in one place or another in the last couple of
years still.

There has to be a line somewhere and the logical line is on the publicly
documented support lifetime for the product. Also consider that this
isn't a Microsoft problem. This is due to the governments making
arbitrary changes based on whatever they feel like making changes for
say like Australia and the Olympics... Some countries have it much worse
off than the US, go chat with people from Israel for awhile aboutDST
and how it is calculated there... (Seehttp://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/g.html)

No other company is going out and updating all of their old unsupported
OSes either. It isn't financially feasible to do so. Heck in some
circles you don't even get automated updates, you get patch instructions
and you go work it out yourself.

On the positive side Microsoft did give you directions for how to
manually patch 2K. If they were trying to, as you say, foist a new OS on
you, they wouldn't have provided that info and just said buy a new OS.

This is going to get worse and worse for you while you are on 2K. You
have a couple of options. 1. Live with it. 2. Upgrade to a newer version
of Windows. 3. Upgrade to something else. You can rail against it all
day but that doesn't have any chance of putting you in any better
position. Maybe you will find it easier on alternate OSes to get your
patches. Personally I don't expect you will and I don't expect you have
the time to deal with everything you will get to start dealing with with
some of the alternates.

joe

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NewMan wrote:
I already did a Google, and I did not find any reference to a
configuration such as mine where Windows 2000Serverwas the heart of
the network. There were others where the PDC was Windows 2003server,
with other W2K servers in the forest, but my small network has ONLY
the W2KServer.
I just checked my desktop system, and KB928388 was applied to my
Desktop in mid-December.
So I tested by manually modifying the time, and the desktop performs
correctly.
So I will presume that if I use tzedit and manually patch theserver
that it will also display the time properly.
I think Micro$haft should have made a W2Kserverpatch available -
extended life crap be damned. We are a small company, and we cannot
aford to throw the baby out with the bath water simply because
MicroSoft feels that it is time to raid our corporate wallet by trying
to foist yet anotherserver/ O/S upon us.
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:37:32 +0100, "Erik Cheizoo"
<echeizoo.XenD...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Only performing this on theserverdoes not cut it.
You have to deploy the new time zone (which consists of a bunch of reg keys)
to all clients as well.
Search this newsgroup, the question has been answered about 15 times in the
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