Re: Is a DC needed Here?

Hello Ace,
Thanks a lot

Actually I have done this several times a good tutorial is on Jonathans site
Visualwin.com. (btw I did the FP Tutorials for him :) Scrollto the bottom of
the home page.

However I have not done this with an existing external DNS inside the
network though. What is throwing me off is the AD DNS needs topoint to itself
and all other machines. But I cannot do this with the existing DNS with the
recursion off. Those DNS's are hosting sites and MX records on the net.

So the squiggly stuff goin' on in my head is how do you implement this AD
when it is going to ask for a DNS during install?

Yes I FULLY agree with you I want the file server for the mail but there are
other things too for storage and server backups etc....

Now I think I might be getting somewhere here in the department of user
names and file sharing. I do the same as you but here is the difference with
this mail server.(btw check it out www.icewarp.com awesome mailserver and
more exoensive that Exchange) Very easy to implement very powerful too.
Ok sorry... :)
Back to the story. This mailserver does not have to use machine accounts for
the mail you can create accounts just in the mail server DB alone. So it has
no affect on Windows handling the users. Also I know nothing about Exchange
:) Windows OS yes, Exhange No ;)

So I am thinking here that this will not solve the problem either. I really
do not want to install AD. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated

Thank you Ace
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Thanks Ace I will implement

So should the file server act as the DC? I already have functioning DNS
implemented External DNS only though.Can I use the existing DNS?

Thanks Ace
Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Hello Ace,
Thank you for your time very much appreciated :)

1. My mail server does not require AD
2. Yes I have used both mail servers in the past to access the same
mailboxes and this worked very well. In order to do this you need a UNC for
the mailfolders and the ability for the mailsrver software to write to the
folders.Similar to IIS IUSER_Machine name (this mail server has webmail)
3.If I implement a file server and locate the mailboxes on the file server I
would need to write to those folders.And as you said his runs under a service.
4. I have also used NON MS software and accomplished this without a problem.


{One thing I cannot see how is to share mailbox info on both mailservers
because a mailbox is a difinitive object. If a client is accessing their
mailbox thru a specific server, it will not be able to check another server
without having a whole different account. WHen mail comes in, it goes to t
the users's mailbox on that particular server.}

This is not true in my case

I would see how you would think this if you were only trained on
exchange.However the purpose for this is to add redundency.
if the primary server is down the other server will still receive the mail
until the primary came back online. Hence no one misses thier mail.

This mail server does not act or work like exchange and I am very well read
on it.
My issue is how to get the permissions I needed on another machine without
adding AD DC to put it all together.

As I mentioned before I have already done this but it was on the other
server and not a third server unbiased if one was down.The mail still is
recieved.
Now I want to relocate the mailfolders and permit both servers to write to
the same mailboxes. But I am learning that I cannot do it unless I implement
a DC.

Which was the very first question in this post.
User accounts on each machine ia not going to help. Been there. Done that.
Thanks
Joe

"Ace Fekay [MVP]" wrote:

In news:9FA110C0-46A4-4F24-BDEF-07FF721B669C@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
Joe <Joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated, which I commented on below:
Hello Paul
Thanks for your time,

I do not use exchange servers I use third party mailservers.
So this is what I wanted to do but I do not think you can do this in
windows without an AD DC as I am aware of. Please advise on file
server permissions if you can.

Joe,

You need to read up on the documentation for the 3rd party mail servers you
are using. Are they AD dependent? If not, there's no reason to have a DC or
an AD infrastructure, unless you want to have centralized user and group
administration. What Paul mentioned is to control user access thru local
accounts on that specific machine. You can create local accounts on each
machine, if you so desire to. If AD is needed for the mail server you are
using, then you would need to study and read up on how that specific mail
server YOU are using uses Active Directory. For us to answer such a question
is practically impossible for a couple reasons, one of which we don't know
what mail server you're using, and two, even if we knew, we would need to
read up on it.

Exchange REQUIRES AD, matter of fact the user mailbox accounts are created
by creating a user account in AD. Matter of fact, AD is the actual directory
service (for the user mailbox accounts) that Exchange uses to store the user
accounts. Exchange reads AD info concerning any accounts that has a mailbox
created for them. Does your mail server do that or do you have to create
mail users in that 3rd party mail server you are using?

Does your mail server require AD? (If not sure, read the docs for as I said,
we do not know that answer).

Do you presently have an AD infrastructure in place that your users are
using and logging into each day?

As for file permissions, file server permissions would not have anything to
do with mailboxe access, since mailboxes are not accessed thru the file
system itself but rather thru the mail server services, and this goes for no
matter what 3rd party mail server you are using. However, mailbox access
permissions do exist and they are set within the 3rd party mail server
properties in the mail server's user mailbox configuration. With Exchange,
it's done thru AD.

One thing I cannot see how is to share mailbox info on both mailservers
because a mailbox is a difinitive object. If a client is accessing their
mailbox thru a specific server, it will not be able to check another server
without having a whole different account. WHen mail comes in, it goes to t
the users's mailbox on that particular server.

As Paul stated, you cannot do that with Exchange and AD, nor can I see it
being done on any other 3rd party mail service, unless it's clustered, and
clustering ability will be dictated by the fact if the 3rd party mail server
you are using will support clustering.


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Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
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