Re: active directory replication
- From: "rodge" <rodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:50:02 -0800
I'm sure you have every opportunity to gain the knowledge needed for
everything you do, but in my situation, our network admin was fired and I was
put into the position having very little knowledge or experience with active
directory. I also have not been given any opportunity to get the training I
need other than a very helpful technet subscription, part of which pays for
me to ask you questions.
Now given that info, I am going to try and respond to your comments one by
one.
"Reports "about slowness" are seldom a reason to take
drastic action, BUT they are a reason for investigation
perhaps...."
I have actually been to every one of these sites many times over the past 6
months and there is definitely a slowness issue and it is not slow all of the
time, the slowness seems to recover after 2 hours. Ironically(and possibly
unrelated) that's how often each site is setup to replicate. I am not sure
how to determine when replication will time out if not succeeding, i.e. if
something is causing packets to continually drop and no response is sent back
to the main site, but I'm going to guess it may be 2 hours.
I have been able to determine that this is being caused by replication.
"How? When? What are the actual symptoms?"
Based on the times the slowness hits and lasts until, and the following
eventids in the event viewer of the main office domain controller, the
primary holder of all 5 fsmo roles: 1566, 1311, 1865, and 13508.
"What do your sites and SITE LINKS look like?"
what do they look like? Could you be a little more specific? They are
"setup" with a site for each branch office, i.e. Ballenger is site one and
contains the domain controller called ballenger. This site has it's own
subnet and is connected by a cisco 2600 router over our WAN. Each site has a
site link to the main office domain controller, maindc.
"On the face of it, neither of these changes will change the
AMOUNT of replication to each site. Certainly not "picking"
the bridgehead server which will just make the replication
less reliable, although it MIGHT reduce the load on THAT
bridgehead DC (but this only makes sense if you are doing a
LOT of replication.)
Not sure what you mean by on the face of it, but I think that there are two
main types of replication we are dealing with here, scheduled replication and
immediate(security) replication. While I am not even claiming to be an
expert, it appears to me that the replication I am having issues with is the
scheduled replication. If I am right, then the solution of making regions
into sites would certainly cut down on replication across the WAN to the main
site because instead of the maindc replicating with each dc on the WAN, he
would only replicate with the bridgehead servers I appoint for each region.
Those bridgehead servers would then replicate changes to the other dc's in
thier site. I also believe that the same would be true of immediate(security)
related replication as well.
"No, since you didn't describe the network except to say "full mesh"
which IMPLIES that all sites have the same bandwidth to each
other but doesn't really state that."
Actually, fully meshed network simply means that every node has a direct
connection to every other node, it doesn't mean bandwidth is the same. Our
slowest sites(10 of them) connect at 256K, we also have 384K and 512K sites.
All sites need to get to the internet through the main office. Each site has
a dc that runs ad integrated DNS, maindc provides dns for everyone. Each dc
lists maindc as primary dns and itself as secondary.
"What do your SITE LINKS look like? (Which Sites and
Cost, Schedule, Frequency?)"
All sites are setup the same, they all link to maindc, cost = 100,
replication interval = 180. I've never looked at the schedule before until
just now, but I took a look at the change schedule button of two site links
and noticed that one site has weekdays from 8 AM until 8 PM as replication
not available. Not sure why that is setup that way and not sure what issues
this will cause, but this is a 256K site and a site that has major slowness
during the day.
"In general, you site links should follow your PHYSICAL
connections, and use only your "best" physical connections
OR use costs to PREFER those "best" WANS."
Okay, and that is how it was setup. I wasn't here when it was setup, but I
did have some issues last year and worked with a tech from Microsoft over the
phone over a period of 3 days to clean everything up, so I did get some
valuable insight from him as to how things "should" be setup. I am not real
familiar with costs, my only real exposure to this was one Microsoft webcast
which briefly touched on the fact that for slower WAN links there are ways to
cut down on replication through costs.
"How many users/computers do you have? How much
(available) bandwidth?"
Approximately 300-350 users and computers, excluding servers. I do not know
how to calculate available bandwidth.
"If you aren't changing a LOT of users, why is replication
hurting you?"
if I knew the answer to that question, I would need to post here.
Are you using DFS (across the WANS)?
I believe this is true. I believe the sysvol folder is replicated and it
does contain a huge amount of logon batch files(scripts), which could
possibly be getting changed some, but I wouldn't think enough to have an
effect this great, but I am very unfamiliar with dfs.
Delays when you create new accounts (computers and users), or
the (increased) need to 'reach across the WAN when resetting
remote user passwords etc.'.
(That is, delays in replication will mean that such changes don't
immediately propagate from wherever they are done to where
they may be needed.)
I received a book from Microsoft that states something a little contrary to
what you say here. It says that security related items(unlocking locked
accounts, resetting passwords, etc) are replicated immediately. So, doesn't
that mean that scheduling replication at night would not really affect those
types of things?
"This implies you don't have a strong grasp of SiteLinks and
replication so first tell us about your Site and ESPECIALLY
your Subnets, SiteLinks including your Costs, Schedule, and
Frequency settings."
Honestly, if I had a strong grasp of anything, I wouldn't be here. What
would you like to know about the subnets? The branch sites use class c
subnets, everything is a 10.0.(some number that identifies the site, i.e. 49,
49, etc.).machine ip 255.255.255.0, I've mentioned the other info earlier.
"IF you have setup your Sites and Site Links correctly then
most replication issues are DNS based.
IF I have then how about some help with troubleshooting dns issues, PLEASE.
> "rodge" <rodge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:5FF70C8C-7F3F-48AE-9052-C76F04A13EB4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > We are using a mix of windows 2000 and 2003 servers for domain
> > controllers.
> > We have 25 remote sites on a fully meshed network. I am hearing complaints
> > about slowness throughout the day from all remote sites.
>
> Reports "about slowness" are seldom a reason to take
> drastic action, BUT they are a reason for investigation
> perhaps....
>
> > I have been able to
> > determine that this is being caused by replication.
>
> How? When? What are the actual symptoms?
>
> What do your sites and SITE LINKS look like?
>
>
> > I believe I have 2
> > solutions, but want to make sure of any issues before I attempt to
> > implement.
> > The way our sites were set up has 25 sites in sites and services. I
> > believe
> > it may be more advantageous to combine some of the sites into regions and
> > appoint ip bridgehead servers for the new sites(regions).
>
> On the face of it, neither of these changes will change the
> AMOUNT of replication to each site. Certainly not "picking"
> the bridgehead server which will just make the replication
> less reliable, although it MIGHT reduce the load on THAT
> bridgehead DC (but this only makes sense if you are doing a
> LOT of replication.)
>
> > This should cut down on a great deal of traffic.
>
> Why and how do you think this will happen?
>
> > Currently all sites do not have equal
> > bandwidths, but by year end, all sites will have 512 connectivity to the
> > main
> > office. Does this sound like a valid solution?
>
> No, since you didn't describe the network except to say "full mesh"
> which IMPLIES that all sites have the same bandwidth to each
> other but doesn't really state that.
>
> What do your SITE LINKS look like? (Which Sites and
> Cost, Schedule, Frequency?)
>
> In general, you site links should follow your PHYSICAL
> connections, and use only your "best" physical connections
> OR use costs to PREFER those "best" WANS.
>
> How many users/computers do you have? How much
> (available) bandwidth?
>
> If you aren't changing a LOT of users, why is replication
> hurting you?
>
> Are you using DFS (across the WANS)?
>
> > Also, I noticed in reading
> > that it is common to have scheduled replication during non-peak hours.
>
> THAT might make more sense if you truly have a replication
> problem...
>
> > We
> > have very little activity at night, so I was wondering what sort of issues
> > I
> > would run into if I scheduled replication to occur only at night?
>
> Delays when you create new accounts (computers and users), or
> the (increased) need to 'reach across the WAN when resetting
> remote user passwords etc.'.
>
> (That is, delays in replication will mean that such changes don't
> immediately propagate from wherever they are done to where
> they may be needed.)
>
> > I am also not sure how to go about this.
>
> This implies you don't have a strong grasp of SiteLinks and
> replication so first tell us about your Site and ESPECIALLY
> your Subnets, SiteLinks including your Costs, Schedule, and
> Frequency settings.
>
> You should also run DCDiag on each DC (and capture the
> output to a test file where you search for FAIL, WARN,
> and ERROR.)
>
> Correct or report here all problems you find with DCDiag.
>
> IF you have setup your Sites and Site Links correctly then
> most replication issues are DNS based.
>
> --
> Herb Martin, MCSE, MVP
> Accelerated MCSE
> http://www.LearnQuick.Com
> [phone number on web site]
>
>
>
.
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