Re: MS ADAM/AD: Absolute simplest repl/sync solution for MS ADAM on 2 or more WinXP machines?
From: Al Mulnick (amulnick_No_SPAM_at_ncDOTrr.com)
Date: 01/02/05
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:58:05 -0500
That's why I said last I checked. It pays to check again :)
>From the download page:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9688F8B9-1034-4EF6-A3E5-2A2A57B5C8E4&displaylang=en
a.. Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, Windows
XP 64-bit
You can run Active Directory Application Mode on computers running any of
the following operating systems:
a.. Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, Standard Edition
b.. Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
c.. Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, Datacenter Edition
d.. The 64-bit version of Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, Enterprise
Edition
e.. The 64-bit version of Microsoft® Windows® Server 2003, Datacenter
Edition
f.. Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional Service Pack 1 (SP1)
g.. Microsoft® Windows® XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 (SP1)
Workgroup and domain requirements
ADAM does not require a forest, domain, or domain controller. You can
install ADAM on computers that are configured as any of the following:
a.. Domain controllers
b.. Domain members
c.. Workgroup members
"Michael Herman (Parallelspace)"
<mwherman@parallelspace.$nospam$.net.$please$> wrote in message
news:%23AdLbdO8EHA.2572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Re: Last I checked ADAM wasn't supported on XP outside of
> development applications. I haven't checked lately however so it may pay
> to
> double check.
>
> There isn't anything on Microsoft.com or in the EULA to suggest that Win
> XP isn't a platform that is fully supported by PSS.
>
> If anyone has any concrete pointers that would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael.
>
>
> "Al Mulnick" <amulnick_No_SPAM@ncDOTrr.com> wrote in message
> news:%23mUq6uN8EHA.3076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Do you have a guaranteed way to keep that store up to date? Is that a
>> requirement or can there be latency and the app still be effective?
>>
>> If so, I can certainly understand although I don't think you're going the
>> right direction. I'm not sure it's a good idea to base a solution on
>> something that Microsoft doesn't even support outside of development
>> environments. (Last I checked ADAM wasn't supported on XP outside of
>> development applications. I haven't checked lately however so it may pay
>> to double check.)
>>
>> Do these copies on the laptops need to be writeable or read-only? I'll
>> assume read-only for now but please correct if needed. What you would be
>> looking for is some sort of network aware client-agent that will wake up
>> and synch the db either on schedule or automated depending on the app.
>> In that case, I'm not sure I'd go with a single configuration set but
>> rather I'd probably make each independent since they're just copies
>> anyway.
>>
>> I suppose the spec would be something like:
>>
>> On wake-up check which network you're on
>> +On home network, sync at will according to configuration settings.
>> ++Optionally, set a schedule and try regardless of network
>> +When not on home network, allow user to choose to sync, not sync, or set
>> sync schedule
>>
>> Basically, the same as an Anti-Virus product.
>>
>> I haven't seen any products out there aimed at such an application;
>> doesn't mean one doesn't exist but because of the support path it is not
>> likely. The folks at cps-systems might be interested in helping with such
>> a solution for what it's worth.
>> http://www.cps-systems.com/products/default.asp or even the people at
>> Cassioware http://www.cassioware.com/cwpd.aspx although that's not a
>> traditional space they seem to want to play in. Assuming you can get them
>> to want to write an app for an unsupported configuration else get
>> Microsoft to change their stance?
>>
>> Would be nice to have some dev team resources chime in here as well. I
>> realize this is normally outside the scope of many of the intended uses
>> of ADAM, but it's probably not an uncommon desire as we still have to
>> deal with computers that are more and more mobile. If ADAM is to be
>> aimed at standardizing the directory that an app uses, then a way to
>> achieve should be available conceivably one that doesn't require a "roll
>> your own" effort. Maybe an ISV could be incented to create such an
>> animal: it would be of value.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Michael Herman (Parallelspace)"
>> <mwherman@parallelspace.$nospam$.net.$please$> wrote in message
>> news:uHmltCJ8EHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> Offline client access to the "database".
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lee Flight" <lef@le.ac.uk-nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:%23KGiFP57EHA.1400@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Is there some compelling reason to have an instance on each machine?
>>>>
>>>> Lee Flight
>>>>
>>>> "Michael Herman (Parallelspace)"
>>>> <mwherman@parallelspace.$nospam$.net.$please$> wrote in message
>>>> news:esmvqo07EHA.1392@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>>
>>>>> Each client instance of ADAM will be used by a single user on that
>>>>> WinXP box. (Scenario: Smart client app talking to a local instance of
>>>>> a replicated ADAM "database".)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping to find a simpler repl/sync solution than the typical AD
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Lee Flight" <lef@le.ac.uk-nospam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u5FacLz7EHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Between XP clients with no external firewall you would want them
>>>>>> to be members of the same configuration set. The level of replication
>>>>>> security you can achieve will be a function of them being joined to a
>>>>>> domain or not. See
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADAM Help
>>>>>> Understanding ADAM
>>>>>> Replication and Configuration Sets
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are running on WinXP you may also have to configure the
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>> firewall to allow replication (I have not tested that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Machines separated by an external firewall is going to require more
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> but is fairly well documented for AD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c2ef3846-43f0-4caf-9767-a9166368434e&DisplayLang=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and numerous KB articles. Again domain membership or otherwise is
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to determine the options for IPSEC is you choose that route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, and with regard to an AD mindset, it's worthwhile reviewing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> differences between WinXP and W2003 ADAM support:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADAM Help
>>>>>> Administering ADAM
>>>>>> Running ADAM on WinXP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and, if memory serves, I think you have a concurrent connection limit
>>>>>> of 10
>>>>>> connections under WinXP SP2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee Flight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Michael Herman (Parallelspace)"
>>>>>> <mwherman@parallelspace.$nospam$.net.$please$> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eGlVQAt7EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Sorry Lee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interested strictly in ADAM to ADAM repl/sync of client
>>>>>>> application data between WinXP clients (no AD or AD identity
>>>>>>> informaton ...and ideally without having to use a central server).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re: for production infrastructure you would want a W2003 server
>>>>>>> based ADAM instance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It all depends on your functional requrements and design goals.
>>>>>>> It's too easy to get locked into an AD mindset when thinking about
>>>>>>> ADAM. :-)\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Lee Flight" <lef@le.ac.uk-nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OYebH%23r7EHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can you expand a bit on "repl/sync" is that ADAM replication within
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> configuration set or are asking about sync'ing AD data into ADAM?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As you mention AD in your subject, clearly there is no AD to ADAM
>>>>>>>> replication possible. Also for ADAM configuration sets replication
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> RPC based, there is no SMTP option according to the documentation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The general guideline for ADAM usage on WinXP is as a developer
>>>>>>>> tool or personal data store, for production infrastructure you
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> want a W2003 server based ADAM instance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lee Flight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Michael Herman (Parallelspace)"
>>>>>>>> <mwherman@parallelspace.$nospam$.net.$please$> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23qnQEsr7EHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> What is the absolute simplest repl/sync approach for MS ADAM
>>>>>>>>> running on 2 (or more) WinXP client machines for the following 2
>>>>>>>>> scenarios:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Two or more machines on the same LAN?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Two or more machines separated by a firewall? Specifically for
>>>>>>>>> the latter, I want to avoid the "Swiss cheese" firewall approach.
>>>>>>>>> Is the SMTP-based replication reliable, reasonable and
>>>>>>>>> easy-to-setup?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm open to third-party solutions as well as the possibility of
>>>>>>>>> having a server-based ADAM replica in a DMZ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers (and Happy New Years),
>>>>>>>>> Michael Herman
>>>>>>>>> Parallelspace Corporation
>>>>>>>>> Developers of Advanced Business Collaboration Solutions for
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft SharePoint, Microsoft Live Communications Server, Active
>>>>>>>>> Directory and Groove Workspace
>>>>>>>>> Portal and Content Migration Specialists:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.parallelspace.net/sharepoint
>>>>>>>>> SharePoint Migration Knowledge Center:
>>>>>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharepointmigration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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