Re: InterVideo XPack 2009 vs. Nvidia MCE 2005 XP Codec packs MVPs?

I value your opinion so what do you think of this.. I bought a VisionTek
1GB ATI Radeon HD-3650. It has a fan so I was really worried about that but
it said it was compatible with MCE. When I got it I learned that all it
required was a 300 watt power supply. So my puny Dell 9150s 375 watt is
using less power than it was with the Nvidia 8500GT. The first day was
horrible because I got a memory error when I installed the software. (With
the 8500GT it said I only had 3GB RAM in System Properties when I know I
have 4GB installed. So I poked and prodded the RAM to see if there was any
loose connections. (I must have MADE one) What I found out is that it was
the 8500GT USING that 1GB for it's drivers.) The Radeon is taking 500MB.
Then I tried a DVD and it WORKED.. for a while then the screen went black.
And I watched Live TV and Recorded TV and after varying amounts of time the
screen went blank. I did a 3 finger salute (Ctrl-Alt-Del) each time and
found that if I could bring up the taskbar, I could recover and restart MCE.
I tried both InterVideo and Nvidia Codecs. The Nvidia went black after just
5 minutes on a DVD. VisionTek (AMD) company does have a toll free tech
support line so I just left things as they were and went to bed. Today,
there are NO PROBLEMS. This is SO familiar to me with ANY kind of
electronics. It seems like the hardware has to 'get used to' something
new. Anyway other than my PC making more noise with the extra fan
everything is working great. It has two HDCP outlets and a RGB socket with
a VGA Adapter included. I am pleased. It's the Over-Clocked Edition (which
I'm not using because I'm not a gamer.) It gives a lot of advice on how to
use two monitors which I don't need either but gives the the option of
plugging it into my HDTV at some point. (It installed updated drivers from
it's website and will put Dolby Digital out of the HDCP/HDMI (with adapter)
if I had a different Creative Labs soundcard.) Nice touch.

I really think the problem with the 8500GT was that I was losing either the
440i Even or Odd FIELDS when it played MCEs Converted Progressively Scanned
video. I don't know how DVDs 440p is numbered but only every other line
displayed. MacroVision played a part too. Any ideas on what to do with
this? XFX is a 'generic company' and I don't know what to do with its
problem. Otherwise it's a great card if you don't play DVDs.

Thanks for all your help.

br. p

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I checked out the "SPARKLE SFPX95GT512U2HP GeForce 9500 GT 512MB 128-bit
GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready" which had a HUGE heat sink. But when
I checked out the same card on their website.. it's a different card and
says nothing about MCE which my 8500 did. I just got bad vibes from such
contradicting images.

Time will tell.

"Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I was not pointing at any particular one, I was suggesting that you select
one of them that you could see from the image was a fan less one.

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Just exactly which 9500 were you pointing at? There are so many. I
plan on building another PC soon so nothing will go to waste. I just
want MCE 2005 XP to work again. I will put the best card in the best
PC. I'm beginning to wonder if it could be my HDCP cable. There
wouldn't be any other problems, like it is for me, if the copy
protection features of the cable were malfunctioning. Or maybe it is
just my LG 22" monitor. There are so many variables.

Sometimes I miss MS-DOS 5...

"Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The issue is not how much power the card requires when using all of
it's capabilities. The first issue is can the card process high
resolution source and then how much power does it require to do it. As
I indicated before I feel that the 9500GT with it's much smaller die
size can process HD resolution source using less power then a 8500GT
the fact that it is 3 time more powerful just means that it can also be
used by gamers and when all the power of the card is utilized by the
gamers it will more power then an 8500GT but I firmly believe that it
will use less power when just processing HD TV content.

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I ordered another video card but it's a cheap(?) ATI wDHCP. I've
always used ATI graphics since my first VGA card. If it needs more
power than I have I can always return it. I just want to watch
MacroVision DVDs & Live and Recorded TV.

THANKS for your help and wise counsel.

br. p

"dicko" <drwho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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This link has a good comparison of the cards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_8_.288xxx.29_series

It shows the 8500GT as 45W and the 9500GT as 50W

I'm just not sure the video card is your problem. The 8500 works well
for many people, me included.

I used to have all kinds of strange video problems when running XP
media center. Upgrading to Vista, and running the OEM codec solved
most all of my problems, but I seem to be in the minority when I say
VMC works better than MCE.

If possible, maybe you could download the Win 7 release candidate and
try that. I'm running it right now and I think its even better than
Vista. I dont know if your mobo is capable of handling it, and audio
drivers seems to be a weak link too (I'm using Vista audio drivers
with it).



On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:43:41 -0700, "Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

According to the following the 8500GT chip itself can draw 40 watts.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080726181126AAqRHkP

Regretfully I could not find a good power comparison at comparable
graphics
load with the two chips since the 9500GT is so much more powerfull.
Here is
one link that may help.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9500_gt_performance/page2.asp

The recommended system power supply numbers include all of the power
required for a normal CPU and HDD drive configuration required for a
system
using the chip.

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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OK, where are you getting your information that the 9500 uses less
power
than the 8500?

The 9500 LOOKs a lot BIGGER than my 8500. My XFX GeForce 8500 GT
requires a 350 watt power supply MINIMUM, Mine is 375. I once
came
across an ATI HDCP HeatSink card which required only 300 watt power
supply
but I hear ATI may be having prbs with HDCP.

My PC is loaded. I have 3 TB over 3 SATA HDs, DVD Lightscribe
SATA RW,
CD RW PATA & a 3.5" FD. Creative X-Fi and a modem. My CPU fan
NEVER ran
before (that I could hear).. Now it runs whenever the 8500 heats
up.

I have no problem buying a different card IF that would fix it but
I'm
really concerned about power requirements.

thanks

"Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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According to the following link it should not be a problem since
the
differences between V1 and V2 do appear to be physical slot
dependent but
are apparently software/driver dependent,

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080726181126AAqRHkP

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It's PCI Express 2.0. Will this work in my 2006 PCs PCI Express
x16 v1
slot?


"Curious" <spammenot@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Have you considered a fanless 9500GT card instead? You can see
some in
the following link and the 9500GT is more powerful then the
8500GT even
though they draw less power since they are made with a smaller
die.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=9500gt+card&x=10&y=35

<pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It's PCI Express x16 v1. That was / is getting REAL hard to
find
these days. XFX GeForce 8500 GT. Driver Date 1/14/2009.
Driver
Provider: NVIDIA. Driver Version: 6.14.11.8122 Digital
Signer: MS
HW Comp.. No Conflicts.

For MCE 2005 XP: NVIDIA Video Decoder (vendor). nvviddec.ax
(decoder
file name). 4020.223.0.0 (decoder version) MCE & MP10
Compatible.

Thanks for your help.




"dicko" <drwho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dont know what to tell you except that it sure never did
anything
like
that when I used the Nvidia codec. The picture always looked
like it
came from my TV's tuner. I always had deinterlace problems
with my
ATI video card but your 8500 should be more than capable of
handlling
that task. In fact I have an 8500 card too and it works fine.

I would start looking at the video card driver. What kind of
card is
it? AGP or PCIe. AGP begins to run out of bus bandwidth.




On Wed, 27 May 2009 00:00:15 -0500, <pERASEshea@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

My MCE 2005 XP with the Nvidia looks most like "Not resized
and not
deinterlaced" except I'm not seeing double images. The more I
look
at this
site (thanks), I believe I am getting only 1 field with the
other one
blank
lines. Definitely a zipper effect. What to do about
something like
this?

Thanks for your replies!



"dicko" <drwho@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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This site has some pictures of deinterlace combing, though
usually
what you see isnt as bad as whats shown here.
http://www.100fps.com/

It really sounds like thats what your describing.


















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