Re: Vista Media Center worst bug

I'm not going to argue the meaning of "bug", but in computer terms, it usually refers to an unexpected/unintended behavior. Waking up for a download once a day has been *by design* a feature in Media Center for six years., it is nothing new to Vista. Several of the early 3rd party plug-in for XP MCE had tweaks to change the time of the update and I believe at least one is available for Vista. Now, not suspending after the download because of certain hardware/BIOS combinations could be a bug.

I will set up the guide on my HP laptop and see if it suspends after the download, but it may be a week or so before I can try that and report back.
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), FL

"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OXwwt$GqJHA.1168@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The annoying behaviour happens "out of the box" with Vista Home Premium and MC so under my point of view it is a "bug".
There are many users on the Net (can use Google...) that complain about Vista waking up in the dead of the night, but they simply don't know it's MC. Moreover the majority still use to Shutdown the system, so they simply don't see the problem. For months, with a lot of testings and discussions, me and others were finally able to isolate the problem (i.e. ehSched and ehRecvr services)... It's not a program or setting problem since this happens also on a clean Vista install without anything else installed and the proof is that only killing those MC's services stops the problems so MC is root. I don't reject the hypothesis of specific BIOSes affected though...

Do you have Vista HP with TV Guide activated on the laptop? If not, could you please test for a couple of days if it happens? You can see the morning after in the Event viewer, Application and services, Microsoft, Windows, Task scheduler if it did wake up in the night...

About re-suspending, yes, it is another problem, sometimes go sleep after 5 mins, some others won't go sleep for more than half an hour but here depends also what other services automatically starts after wake up etc. etc.

S3, S4 etc. suspending works perfectly and as expected so it's not a mobo/driver issue at all.


"Jaime" <nospamfor-jaimelobo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:OMlh7iDqJHA.1172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Downloading the guide automatically is not new new to Vista, it worked the same way in XP MCE. I can't comment on whether or not it was problematic in XP as well, since I didn't experience the problem on my old system either. However, as many people don't seem to have this problem, it obviously is more than a "bug" in Vista or everyone would have the issue. It must have some connection to other programs/settings/or hardware.

The main problem seems to have more to do with your system not re-suspending after the wake up, as it is waking as it should. Does it automatically suspend at other times?
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), FL



"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:E018E91C-4F32-420F-88C5-66970C06D7BC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Even with the TV Guide disabled Vista Media Center still wakes up the laptop if Vista is left in sleep/hibernation. I doubt this can go under the "expected behaviour"...

"Curious" <mailmenot@xxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:%23pTHb5BqJHA.1172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Maybe you need to need to change the settings in Task Scheduler for the guide update to meet your personnel requirements.

"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u1NZlYAqJHA.200@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The problem happens in Vista Home Premium, clean install, and standard Vista Media Center setup.
There is no mention it should wake up in the dead of the night in the docs... What a lot of users complain of is that shouldn't wake up the system at all even if you want to use the TV Guide. It should simply update the guide and the rest when the system is on and network is on, not at unexpected scheduled times in the night. That's what all other programs like this do...
Add to this that even if you disable TV Guide and disable internet access for MC it will still force system wake ups in the night when you leave your Vista Home Premium laptop in sleep/hibernation (i.e. ehSched and ehRecvr services not been shutdown).
It's quite annoying for users.


"Jaime" <jaimelobo@xxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:e6voBBAqJHA.5332@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
My point about the laptop was just an aside, I don't use that as a regular MC machine so I don't bother with the guide.

My main point was that my PC that *does* do automatic downloads of the guide (the desktop), works perfectly. It wakes up sometime overnight, downloads the guide, and then goes back to sleep.

I'm still confused as to what you want to do, if you don't want automatic updates, just do manual updates. On my old XP MCE system 4 years ago, I only had a dialup modem connection in the room, so that was the only way I did updates -- I just had to remember to run the guide update once a week or so. That system never woke up on its own either.
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida

"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uMsRQ0$pJHA.1172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Yes, and then you said "I don't have the laptop set up to
automatically download the guide." that's why it won't wake up and hence my reply ;)

Do you have special suggestions to avoid wake ups keeping the TV Guide activated?

"Jaime" <jaimelobo@xxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:ejqEaE$pJHA.3864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Try re-reading this part:

"My desktop *does wake itself up to download the guide daily*, but it goes right back to sleep when finished.."
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida

"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:D89C6451-AE10-4712-9BC3-A27B860DFDB0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If you disabled TV Guide, of course it won't wake up...

"Jaime" <jaimelobo@xxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:%23AYGRP9pJHA.4448@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Add me to the list of *not* having this problem on either my Vista U64 HP laptop or my Dell Vista Premium desktop, which is always on and set to suspends itself when not recording or playing.

My desktop does wake itself up to download the guide daily, but it goes right back to sleep when finished; I don't have the laptop set up to automatically download the guide.
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida

"Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:6A4C2788-745D-4C12-858B-51F4D157F4C1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It's the first time I hear people that *can't* reproduce the problem honestly! :)
All friends and users I've heard have this problem.
Of course this has been reproduced even after a clean Vista install, after you configure Media Center to use the TV Guide.
Consider also that killing ehSched and ehRecvr services is a valid workaround so it seems a sort of bug in them that trigger a HW-level forced wake up...

Of course there are a lot of forums reporting this annoying problem: e.g. http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/336864.aspx and others.


"Barb Bowman" <barb@xxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto nel messaggio news:62d1s4pabkl6bf5qvitilamen4hdbi1cog@xxxxxxxxxx
do you have some links to reports by other users?

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:01:32 +0100, "Hexaae" <hexaae@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

This very annoying bug has been reported by ALL users that put their laptops
to sleep in Standby/Hibernation (for example with the PC remote control), it
doesn't matter if all devices are set to never wake up the machine
("WakeOnLan" disabled, "Allow this device to resume from sleep" disabled
etc. from Device Manager).
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Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
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