Re: Vista's Media Center records HD in 480p only?
- From: rocket48 <rocket48@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:01:01 -0800
Hi P-Chip. Did not catch that you were on the other thread. Sorry about
that. My biggest frustration is that 20 years ago I could record a old movie
on, lets say AMC, and keep it to watch again. Now, 20 years later, I can't
even be assured that I can record it and watch it on my tv at all. Some of
this stuff you can't even buy a DVD for, but yet you can't watch it or burn
it for later use. I haven't even mentioned that I also read that digital
audio out will also be disabled. If this issue with component video turns
out to be true, they are only hurting their honest customers. The dishonest
ones, unfortunately, will still figure out a way around it.
"P-Chip" wrote:
Unfortunately, I was the guy who also asked you for some more details.
regarding this issue in another thread that you started :-).
All I know is that the general feel among most of the industry analysts is
that the PC is finally coming up to the level of CE devices, when it comes to
tamperproof copy protection. While, we in the PC world have been used to a
lot of freedom in the past, this may not necessarily a bad thing. If the PC
has to move on to mainstream home entertainment, I personally think that kind
of protection is required by the entertainment industry. I don't agree with
the author of the research that MS could dictate terms to them. I think they
faced the risk of being eliminated from the game if they didn't keep up.
As with every change, there's bound to be a hue and cry. Remember the
initial drama over DRM wma's when they first came out? People wanted to be
able to distribute them as freely as they could MP3's. However, after a
couple of years, everyone has come to accept copy-protected music as a way of
life. (I guess if Apple does the same thing, people tend to suck it up a
little easier.) The PC is still evolving, and so are its users. I am pretty
sure that after a year or two of struggle, in which we will be forced out of
the freedom we've been used to, Vista Copy Protection will become a way of
life.
Sadly, I don't know the exact answer to your question, but I'm sure someone
out there has already tried it out and will know the answer.
Regards,
Pat
"rocket48" wrote:
Ok maybe you can answer this for us. I have a ati component video output
connected to a 4 year old hdtv. I am recording at 480i off of a Directv
receiver. Will I still be able to replay "copy protected" recorded tv (from
AMC or others) through my component video connection to my tv? If not, my
purchase of Vista will allow me the privilage of having to spend another
$3000 for a TV with a HDMI input and a new video card with HDMI output.
"P-Chip" wrote:
In think Peter Gutmann has missed the point entirely in his "research". The
reason all the content has been protected in Vista is so that PC users will
actually *have* the permission to be able to view it in the first place. If
the content owners aren't convinced that the PC provides a secure enough
container for their premium content, they could just lock their content so it
wouldn't display on the PC at all.
These kind of changes should have been expected with the convergence of
computing and consumer electronics. After all, if the PC wouldn't be able to
play premium content, I'm sure there'd be a host of people out there blaming
MS for lacking the foresight to incorporate content protection into their OS.
"John Lockwood" wrote:
On 8/1/07 17:29, in article
1168277388.841836.102730@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mike"
<waterrockets@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On the same machine, in XP MCE, I can get 1080p, 720p, etc. formats for
my DVR-MS recorded TV (ATSC with an antenna).
With Vista, all ATSC recordings are 480p. Quality is set to "Best" just
like in XP.
What gives?
It could be due to the new and 'improved' DRM introduced in Vista which is
downgrading HD programs to 480p.
Microsoft appear to have spent 95% of their efforts on this anti-customer
DRM and only 5% on adding features and fixing bugs.
This fact has lead to Peter Gutmann describing the ludicrously over the top
DRM in Vista as the 'longest suicide note in history'. See
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36570 and for the original
article http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
Note: you can normally tell what resolution a DVR-MS recording is by opening
it in WMP and viewing its properties.
....Vista Media Center - it's sucktastic
[Sucktastic - see also craptacular, pukeriffic]
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