Re: Xbox Mediacenter Extender Remote

1) When songs transition during music playback, the nice semi-transparent
cover art with track name will be displayed on screen, just like it is on
the PC

5) Xbox 360 supports playback of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, WMV 7, 8 & 9, and WMV Image
1 & 2 video content. AVI is a wrapper format that commonly contains MPEG-4,
which is not supported on Xbox 360
8) You can configure the Xbox to automatically turn itself off after a
period of inactivity



The A, B, X, Y buttons are remapped to other functions while in Extender
mode (e.g. "Live TV"); these functions exist on "regular" Media Center
remotes as dedicated buttons

--
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


"Derek R. Flickinger" <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message news:%23EnZoDX9FHA.252@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Update on 4).
>
>
http://michaelcreasy.com/blog/index.php?title=text_entry_in_media_center_applications_&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
>
> The Xbox 360 Premium includes (for a "limited" time) a remote control
which
> is smaller than the Universal Media Remote and doesn't include any number
> buttons. This makes text input to Media Center applications when using the
> Xbox 360 as an Extender rather difficult. Normally you'd use the number
> buttons to triple tap in text, but with no number buttons you can't do
that.
> The solution is to press the 'Y' button on a controller which will display
> an on-screen keyboard that you can use for text entry. Note that pressing
> the 'Y' button on the remote brings up the TV guide.
>
> -----------------
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the tip. However, we cannot get the typing from that keyboard
to
> fill in the email address for logging in to MSN Music. What are we
missing?
>
> =D-
>
> "Derek R. Flickinger" <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message news:udnFA4W9FHA.2176@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > We are sorry we were mixing in some of the remote functionality with the
> > actual MCX features.
> >
> > 3) Use a "standard" MCE learning remote. Do not get the Xbox Universal
> > Media Remote (UMR). The UMR ONLY has codes available for TVs. It will
> > not control what you have (unless you happen to hit it lucky and have
the
> > same IR volume codes as a TV). If you use the learning remote and
program
> > the volume for your receiver, you will be okay (assuming your receiver
has
> > IR access from the remote). The audio subsystem within the MCE PC works
> > differently for an eXtender. You cannot use the remote to control the
> > volume of the audio streams. Remember, the MCE remote also works the
> > 360's UI (and does a pretty nice job of it). The learning remote (or
the
> > original one) performs almost all of the functions as the UMR and the
> > 360's UI leverages the A and B buttons quite a bit. It just would be
nice
> > if the learning remote had two of the OEM keys available AND they would
> > send the same values as the X and Y. The standard 360 Media Remote is
not
> > of much value to us.
> >
> > 4) Our issue is that we have not found a way to log into Microsoft's own
> > MSN Music through the 360's MCE interface. We have tried triple-tapping
> > on four different remotes, the MCE keyboard, and a USB keyboard to no
> > avail. Has anyone else been able to do this? We must be missing
> > something.
> >
> > 5) We have not spent the time isolating this one yet. We know we have
> > some videos that play okay on a variety of PC-based MCE boxes, but they
do
> > not play from the 360. We think it is related to being variable bit
rate,
> > but have not checked it out yet. There are some other previous threads
> > related to this.
> >
> > 7) The issue is that if you have to do any editing of the music database
> > for the MCx user account through the 10' UI using the remote, it is a
time
> > consuming task - especially if you are used to typing corrections. With
a
> > PC, you can minimize the MCE shell and do it with a keyboard and mouse
> > inside of Media Player. It definitely is a much more efficient way. We
> > do believe you can copy the two specific library files from the
machine's
> > MCE account to the MCx user's profile, but something seems to have
changed
> > with RU 2. We cannot overwrite them or delete those files now -
something
> > is keeping them open. We appreciate any input on this because it is
> > another area we have not had a chance to track down yet.
> >
> > 8) We have a new "this also is different" to add. The 360 does not
> > support powering the display down, even if it is EnergyStar compliant.
If
> > you get the right kind of display and video connection, you can have the
> > PC power it down after a period. The 360 will not do this, so you
> > manually have to turn it off. This means that you need to program the
> > remote for your display to allow the TV power button to turn off the
> > display. We are experimenting with leaving the 360 on, but the cool
part
> > is that we can turn it off if we want. We end up leaving the audio
> > receiver on (unless you take Barb's advice and use something like a
Pronto
> > or other universal remote and create macros to do it). The 360 is
pretty
> > quiet in MCX mode. As a side note, we wish you could disable the
ability
> > to power the PC-based MCE off using the remote because we want to leave
> > them on all of the time and the user should not have to power it up
first.
> > We have not played with the new "instant on/off" features of RU 2 yet.
> >
> > I guess it is time to say that, overall, things work pretty well. We
> > simply are disappointed in some of the (lack of) usability features
> > between the limitations of the various remotes and the limitations of
the
> > MCE eXtender environment. What we are trying to do is develop a list
of
> > "best practices/products" for ourselves so we can present the trade-offs
> > to our customers and we will know how to combine the right components
and
> > configure a system that works well based on their requirements. We are
> > conveying our findings via this newsgroup in real time and reserve the
> > right to change our minds if we discover new information. We are open
to
> > input and are looking for help on resolving what we see as some open
> > issues. We also hope that the MS people reading this can use it as
input
> > on making future releases and products a little more cohesive across the
> > product lines.
> >
> > =D-
> >
> > "RCMe" <rcme_1_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:%23YaEnJW9FHA.3664@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Thanks Todd and Derek,
> >>
> >> Some comments below...
> >>
> >>>> 1) music visualizations aren't supported (because they use the 3d
> >>>> rendering capabilities of the video card in the PC) and
> >>
> >> Ok. BTW, what is shown on the display while music is playing. Do the
> >> (MTV-like) song transition popups still work?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 2) streaming DVDs from Media Center to Xbox 360 isn't supported
(though
> >>>> you can off course put a DVD in the Xbox 360's DVD drive and watch it
> >>>> from there)
> >>
> >> That's fine. I don't watch DVDs on MCE now anyway, I have a separate
DVD
> >> player.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 3) The way that the audio works is different, also. From an
eXtender,
> >>>> one does not have control of the volume being streamed from the PC so
> >>>> the volume becomes a bit of a mess if you do not use the "TV" audio.
> >>
> >> When you say "TV", do you mean "whatever audio device is connected to
the
> >> audio outputs of the Xbox 360"?
> >>
> >> I currently have a multi-channel surround sound amplifier that
functions
> >> as a central audio/video switch for all components. All audio and video
> >> sources go through the amplifier, and the TV is simply a video
"monitor"
> >> (no audio). I was expecting to connect digital audio from the Xbox 360
> >> (optical/coax) to the surround sound amplifier, as well as the Xbox 360
> >> video out. I currently have the MCE remote programmed to adjust the
audio
> >> volume on the surround sound amplifier, which I would hope should work
> >> the same with Xbox 360.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 4) In addition, eXtenders do not support keyboards - either the MCE
one
> >>>> or the USB ones. We also have not been able to sign into MSN Music
> >>>> from Online Spotlight because the login "keyboard" entry does not
> >>>> function correctly.
> >>
> >> Ok. A keyboard would be nice, but I only use it now with MCE for the
> >> occasional reboot and for watching movie previews from Apple's
Quicktime
> >> website. I understand that watching Quicktime from the Xbox 360 will
not
> >> be possible (bummer as Apple now has some pretty sweet HD previews). I
> >> suppose I will have to see if there is a movie preview site through MCE
> >> online spotlight that has HD movie previews like the Apple QT site.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 5) Some types of videos and MPEGs also do not play from within My
> >>>> Videos.
> >>
> >> Hmmm... Bummer about MPEGs. Is lack of MPEG support a short term
> >> limitation? Seems odd, since dvr-ms are supposed to be simply MPEGs
> >> wrapped in meta-data. What about "ripped" DVDs (aka .vob files)? We
have
> >> a lot of home videos processed into DVD format (menus and such) and
> >> stored on disk. When you say "some types of videos", is there a list
> >> somewhere? I really need to know if standard AVI files (basically
> >> straight DV captures from a camcorder) will play on Xbox 360 (streamed
> >> from MCE via the extender interface?). Lack of AVI support would be a
> >> showstopper, since viewing AVIs through the MCE interface is an
important
> >> part of our MCE "experience".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 6) You cannot burn DVDs directly from the interface, but that is not
a
> >>>> show stopper.
> >>
> >> Ok. I agree, I have a separate computer that I use for processing DV
> >> video (editing, etc.), and use other (non-MCE) NLE programs when I need
a
> >> dvr-ms archived onto DVD.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> 7) Since one does not have direct access to the music library
database,
> >>>> it is a pain to delete duplicate entries which otherwise can be done
> >>>> using Media Player.
> >>
> >> Hmmm... I am not certain I understand this. Are you saying that one
needs
> >> to go to the MCE computer to update/change the music library? That's ok
> >> for me, since I have a copy of my MP3 library stored on the MCE
computer
> >> (need to have a copy since MCE insists on being able to modify the
music
> >> library), so I need to go to the MCE computer anyway for any MP3
library
> >> updates or changes, which come from the "master" read-only MP3 library
> >> stored on the central server.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> As a side note, the 'OK' button seems to work well as a replacement
for
> >>>> the 'A' button and the 'Back" button seems to emulate the 'B' button
> >>>> pretty well.
> >>
> >> Does one need the 'A' and 'B' buttons for the MCX functions of the Xbox
> >> 360? Or are they used for Xbox 360 gaming in place of the Xbox 360
gaming
> >> controller?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> What is nice is that the standard Power button on the MCE remote does
> >>>> turn the 360 on and off.
> >>
> >> Does one need to ever turn off the Xbox 360? Currently, when we leave
the
> >> HT room, we just turn off the surround sound amplifier and the TV. The
> >> MCE computer runs 24-7. Since in this particular case, the Xbox 360
would
> >> replace the MCE computer, I would expect the family would tend to
always
> >> forget to turn off the Xbox 360.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Derek R. Flickinger" <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> >> message news:uBtqxWR9FHA.912@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Todd,
> >>>
> >>> 3) The way that the audio works is different, also. From an eXtender,
> >>> one does not have control of the volume being streamed from the PC so
> >>> the volume becomes a bit of a mess if you do not use the "TV" audio.
> >>> 4) In addition, eXtenders do not support keyboards - either the MCE
one
> >>> or the USB ones. We also have not been able to sign into MSN Music
from
> >>> Online Spotlight because the login "keyboard" entry does not function
> >>> correctly.
> >>> 5) Some types of videos and MPEGs also do not play from within My
> >>> Videos.
> >>> 6) You cannot burn DVDs directly from the interface, but that is not a
> >>> show stopper.
> >>> 7) Since one does not have direct access to the music library
database,
> >>> it is a pain to delete duplicate entries which otherwise can be done
> >>> using Media Player.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise, it is a pretty good imitation of "the real thing." As a
side
> >>> note, the 'OK' button seems to work well as a replacement for the 'A'
> >>> button and the 'Back" button seems to emulate the 'B' button pretty
> >>> well. There is no DVD eject button, but that is no biggie. What is
nice
> >>> is that the standard Power button on the MCE remote does turn the 360
on
> >>> and off.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> =D-
> >>>
> >>> Derek R. Flickinger
> >>> Interactive Homes, Inc.
> >>>
> >>> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" <toddbow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>> news:Omyjg4K9FHA.2816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> When used through the Xbox 360, Media Center has the same input model
> >>>> and
> >>>> UI, complete with transitions/animations and UI sounds. The two main
> >>>> UI
> >>>> items I can think of off-hand that are different are 1) music
> >>>> visualizations
> >>>> aren't supported (because they use the 3d rendering capabilities of
the
> >>>> video card in the PC) and 2) streaming DVDs from Media Center to Xbox
> >>>> 360
> >>>> isn't supported (though you can off course put a DVD in the Xbox
360's
> >>>> DVD
> >>>> drive and watch it from there)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >>>> rights.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "RCMe" <rcme_1_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>> news:%23rGDbM$7FHA.4036@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Thanks for the follow-up Todd,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am looking at the Xbox 360 as a MCE extender first and a gaming
> >>>>> console
> >>>>> second. The MCE computer has become a integral part of my family's
> >>>>> media
> >>>>> experience. So much so, I had thought about building another MCE
> >>>>> computer
> >>>>> for our other TV, but realized that Xbox 360 would be about the same
> >>>> price,
> >>>>> plus you get the gaming part too! The Xbox 360 would replace the MCE
> >>>>> computer on the "main" TV (allowing for a better gaming experience)
> >>>>> and
> >>>> the
> >>>>> MCE computer would get shifted to the second TV.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My concern over the remote is that my family has just gotten used to
> >>>>> the
> >>>> MCE
> >>>>> remote, and I think it would be too confusing having a different MCE
> >>>> remote
> >>>>> for the Xbox 360 MCE extender. Also, I didn't notice the "Recorded
TV"
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> "Guide" buttons on the picture I saw of the Xbox 360 remote. These
are
> >>>>> probably the most used buttons on the MCE remote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other concern I have is whether there are any differences
between
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Xbox 360 MCE "experience" and the MCE computer "experience". I
haven't
> >>>> been
> >>>>> able to find much detail on this. Again, the family has just
"settled
> >>>> into"
> >>>>> the whole MCE UI, and it would be confusing if there were any
> >>>>> differences
> >>>>> between using MCE on the Xbox 360 vs. the MCE computer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the most part, we use "basic" features on the MCE computer.
> >>>>> Recorded
> >>>> TV
> >>>>> (most used feature along side of the Guide), Music (the song
> >>>>> transitions
> >>>> are
> >>>>> great), Picture slide shows (with the background music, is a hit
with
> >>>>> friends and family). We also have a largish home video library on a
> >>>>> 1TB
> >>>>> RAID5 server (a Windows 2003 box that is shared to the MCE
computer).
> >>>>> This
> >>>>> holds all our home videos which are standard AVI files which we
> >>>>> regularly
> >>>>> watch in MCE. The server also has some standard MPEG2/WMV files
> >>>>> created
> >>>> from
> >>>>> video authoring software, as well as some "ripped" DVDs of home
video
> >>>>> authoring projects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will these basic MCE functions operate the same (i.e. same user
> >>>> experience,
> >>>>> same remote button presses, UI, etc.) through the Xbox 360 MCE
> >>>>> extender as
> >>>>> on the MCE computer?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" <toddbow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:ezXIua97FHA.2176@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> > Correct - you can use a standard Media Center remote with Xbox
360.
> >>>> Note
> >>>>> > though that the Xbox 360 remotes have a few buttons that aren't
> >>>>> > present
> >>>> on
> >>>>> > Media Center remotes - X, Y, A, B, and the Xbox Guide button.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > To set your Xbox 360 to listen to all remotes, start at the Xbox
360
> >>>>> > dashboard, navigate to System > Console Settings > Remote Control
> >>>>> > and
> >>>>> > select
> >>>>> > All Channels (vs. Xbox 360 Media Remote)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --
> >>>>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no
> >>>>> > rights.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > "RCMe" <rcme_1_nospam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>>> > news:OJ39Le87FHA.1000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> >> This is great news Todd!
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> So, if I get an Xbox 360, instead of buying an Xbox 360 remote
for
> >>>>> >> the
> >>>>> >> MCE
> >>>>> >> extender function, I can use a standard MCE remote? And this
would
> >>>>> >> be
> >>>>> >> accomplished by changing some setting in the Xbox 360
> >>>>> >> configuration? I
> >>>>> > don't
> >>>>> >> have Xbox 360 yet, so I don't know/can't confirm what this config
> >>>> change
> >>>>> > is.
> >>>>> >> Does anyone know?
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> "Todd Bowra [MSFT]" <toddbow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
> >>>>> >> news:%233mj0e67FHA.2040@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> >> > Actually, all Media Center PC remotes will work with Xbox 360
and
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> > Xbox
> >>>>> >> > 360 remote will work with all Media Centers.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > Media Center PCs and Xbox 360 (and the MCX set top boxes for
that
> >>>>> > matter)
> >>>>> >> > all use the same IR protocol (RC6). This protocol has multiple
> >>>>> >> > sub-channels, and by default, Xbox 360 is set to only listen to
> >>>>> >> > one
> >>>>> >> > channel
> >>>>> >> > in order to avoid interference if you have a Media Center PC in
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> > same
> >>>>> >> > room. Xbox 360 can be reconfigured via the dashboard to listen
> >>>>> >> > to
> >>>> all
> >>>>> > IR
> >>>>> >> > channels. Likewise, Media Center is configured by default to
not
> >>>>> >> > listen
> >>>>> >> > to
> >>>>> >> > the Xbox 360 remote to avoid interference if your Xbox 360 is
in
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> > same
> >>>>> >> > room as your Media Center PC. Just like Xbox 360, Media Center
> >>>>> >> > can
> >>>> be
> >>>>> >> > reconfigured to listen to different IR channels.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > If you want to use one remote with both devices, all you need
to
> >>>>> >> > do
> >>>> is
> >>>>> >> > appropriately configure the device that the remote didn't come
> >>>>> >> > with.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > --
> >>>>> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers
> >>>>> >> > no
> >>>>> >> > rights.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > "Derek R. Flickinger" <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >> > wrote
> >>>> in
> >>>>> >> > message news:uVc2Fz57FHA.2816@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> >> >> To make it even worse, Jump In List is being touted as a great
> >>>> feature
> >>>>> > of
> >>>>> >> >> the 360 MCE eXtender by our friends like Charlie Owen on his
> >>>>> >> >> blog at
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>
http://blog.retrosight.com/PermaLink,guid,94b33fce-88a1-4745-8ba2-76002ebe07ab.aspx,
> >>>>> >> >> but their own keyboard does not support typing "real" letters,
> >>>>> >> >> which
> >>>>> > even
> >>>>> >> > is
> >>>>> >> >> easier than triple-tapping (if it only worked).
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> =D-
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> "Derek R. Flickinger" <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >> >> wrote
> >>>>> >> >> in
> >>>>> >> >> message news:uQtgJi57FHA.3976@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> >> >> > Nigel,
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > I understand what you are saying, but I think you may be
over
> >>>>> >> > simplifying
> >>>>> >> >> > it a bit. The whole thing seems much more convoluted to me
> >>>>> >> >> > than
> >>>>> > that.
> >>>>> >> >> > The problem is not that they both are different the same
way.
> >>>>> >> >> > The
> >>>>> > real
> >>>>> >> >> > problem is that they made the first ones different in the
> >>>>> >> >> > first
> >>>>> > place -
> >>>>> >> >> > and even in this round they are somewhat different again.
> >>>>> >> >> > From
> >>>> what
> >>>>> > we
> >>>>> >> >> > have been able to find on the subject, the 360 Media Remote
> >>>>> >> >> > even
> >>>>> > works
> >>>>> >> >> > somewhat differently than the 360 Universal Media Remote
> >>>>> >> >> > (although
> >>>> I
> >>>>> >> > will
> >>>>> >> >> > say we have not had a chance to play with the latter one
yet).
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > We are trying to come up with a "usability" matrix that has
a
> >>>>> >> >> > list
> >>>>> >> >> > of
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> > possible controllers down the left side and the different
> >>>>> >> >> > devices
> >>>>> >> >> > and
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> > modes within the devices across the top. Within each square
> >>>>> >> >> > of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> >> > matrix
> >>>>> >> >> > are four different check boxes representing feature sets
(with
> >>>>> >> >> > an
> >>>>> >> >> > associated legend describing the feature set) for what
> >>>>> >> >> > actually
> >>>>> >> >> > works
> >>>>> >> > with
> >>>>> >> >> > what. Some control, some do nothing at all, some do
> >>>>> >> >> > navigation,
> >>>>> >> >> > some
> >>>>> >> >> > do
> >>>>> >> >> > not support typing (as in the keyboard and the 360 in MCE
> >>>>> >> >> > eXtender
> >>>>> >> > mode),
> >>>>> >> >> > and some support programming. It is a nightmare. I think
if
> >>>>> >> >> > you
> >>>>> >> >> > investigate this further, you will see how confusing it
> >>>>> >> >> > becomes.
> >>>>> > What
> >>>>> >> >> > were they thinking (or not, as the case may be)??
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > To us, the bottom line is that we have not found anyone at
> >>>> Microsoft
> >>>>> > so
> >>>>> >> >> > far that can fill this chart in. It is as if one group had
no
> >>>> idea
> >>>>> >> >> > what
> >>>>> >> >> > the other group was doing. They could not possibly have
> >>>>> >> >> > performed
> >>>> a
> >>>>> >> >> > "cross-product line" usability study from a consumer's
> >>>>> >> >> > perspective
> >>>>> >> >> > or
> >>>>> >> > they
> >>>>> >> >> > never would have made such a giant step backwards from the
> >>>>> >> >> > simplicity
> >>>>> >> >> > of
> >>>>> >> >> > the single MCE remote. We should be able to take any one of
> >>>>> >> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> > controller devices (except possibly the actual 360 wired or
> >>>> wireless
> >>>>> >> >> > controller) and have it work the same way with a PC-based
MCE
> >>>>> > machine,
> >>>>> >> > the
> >>>>> >> >> > current eXtenders, the original Xbox eXtender, or the 360 in
> >>>>> >> >> > eXtender
> >>>>> >> >> > mode. Maybe we are missing something, but it appears we are
> >>>>> >> >> > light
> >>>>> >> >> > years
> >>>>> >> >> > away from being able to do that. Either way, it surely
makes
> >>>>> >> >> > a
> >>>> mess
> >>>>> >> >> > for
> >>>>> >> >> > our customers. It also is a mess for any developer trying
to
> >>>>> >> >> > make
> >>>> a
> >>>>> >> >> > software version of a remote that "should" work for all of
the
> >>>>> >> >> > different
> >>>>> >> >> > UIs. Although it seems dated now, this reference is pretty
> >>>>> >> >> > much
> >>>> all
> >>>>> >> > that
> >>>>> >> >> > is available publicly on what HID values are being send by
"a
> >>>>> >> >> > remote"
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/remote_control.asp.
> >>>>> >> >> > Can you honestly tell me that this is valid for all of the
> >>>>> > combinations
> >>>>> >> >> > mentioned above?
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > =D-
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> > "Nigel Barker" <nigel@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >>>>> >> >> > news:5cm6o1pp7j95086ssg8a8acj2s0ptjhh8c@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> >> >> >> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:59:20 -0500, "Derek R. Flickinger"
> >>>>> >> >> >> <DrFlick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >>>We also are curious why the new Media Remote that comes
with
> >>>>> >> >> >>>the
> >>>>> >> >> >>>360
> >>>>> >> > does
> >>>>> >> >> >>>not work with a PC-based Media Center, even though it has
all
> >>>>> >> >> >>>of
> >>>>> >> >> >>>the
> >>>>> >> >> >>>"correct" buttons (including the MCE "Start" button). It
is
> >>>>> >> >> >>>getting
> >>>>> >> > very
> >>>>> >> >> >>>confusing for developers to figure out how to develop a
> >>>>> >> >> >>>remote
> >>>>> > control
> >>>>> >> >> >>>that
> >>>>> >> >> >>>works across the product lines now, even though they all
have
> >>>>> >> >> >>>the
> >>>>> > same
> >>>>> >> >> >>>buttons. Unfortunately, it is even more confusing for the
> >>>>> > consumers.
> >>>>> >> > We
> >>>>> >> >> >>>have gone from a single MCE remote we can carry around the
> >>>>> >> >> >>>house
> >>>>> >> >> >>>and
> >>>>> >> > use
> >>>>> >> >> >>>with all of our 10' MCE UIs to multiple remotes/keyboards
> >>>>> >> >> >>>that
> >>>> only
> >>>>> >> > work
> >>>>> >> >> >>>on
> >>>>> >> >> >>>specific devices, even though the UIs and most of the
buttons
> >>>>> >> >> >>>are
> >>>>> > the
> >>>>> >> >> >>>same.
> >>>>> >> >> >>>Man, don't you guys ever talk to each other???
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> This is consistent with the original Xbox MCE Extender as
> >>>>> >> >> >> this
> >>>>> > remote
> >>>>> >> > is
> >>>>> >> >> >> almost
> >>>>> >> >> >> identical to the MCE one but does not operate the PC.
> >>>>> >> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> >> --
> >>>>> >> >> >> Nigel Barker
> >>>>> >> >> >> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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