Re: Nvidia Update - Thanks

JonP,
Here are a few questions that may help in understanding your problem and
getting to a solution.

When you have release 1.0.67 of the NVIDIA DVD decoder in your otherwise
clean MCE 2005 system with the ATI graphics card does the DVD test utility
indicate that the decoder was not compatible?
Do you get the same display problem playing a recorded TV program and
playing a DVD using either MCE or Media players?
Does it make any difference if you are watch video in a window or in full
screen mode?
Does it make any difference what your decoder settings are relative to
hardware acceleration?
Does it make any difference if the resolution you are displaying is the same
as or different from the resolution of the video source?
Can you provide a little more detail on the errors or display corruption
that you are receiving, I can not locate this information and I apologize
for asking for it if it is in post that I inadvertently deleted.

JW

"JonP" <JonP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:DA07076F-DB06-499F-ACDA-3352872D3C4D@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Thank you Chris for the correction, now can you tell me what I have done
> wrong. I have tested this now one six different ATI cards, and four
> different
> hardware platforms, with and without diagnostics. Nvidia does not have
> any
> procedure as such, and I have documented fairly well what I did, so what
> did
> I do wrong?
>
> By the, I contacted, Intel developer support labs, and according to them,
> what I have done is correct and according to data stream information
> everything is correct and also according to intel, Nvidia does NOT support
> any products by their own. So this is interesting. Nvidia's documention
> states that directx 8 cards are supported as well as specific cards
> including
> nvidia and Intel card are supported, as you have obviously pointed out
> correctly. I really mean it by saying thank you for the work. I
> appreciate
> the effort in getting to the nitty gritty. Now I never even thought about
> or
> tested Intel specific chipset as in the Intel chipsets you noted, but now
> I
> have been told by Intel support that Intel chipset are NOT supported by
> Nvidia's decoder. This is getting odder and odder.
>
> I went right back to the beginning with a stock Dell 8200 and a stock ASUS
> P4P-800E both with ATI-9800XT boards. Did clean installs without ATI's
> Decoders , only Nvidia decoders, made images, did the same and installed
> ATI's decoders. I did not use any developer kit tools; so I did not muck
> up
> the equation that way; after I tested it the same way, I got the same
> results
> as noted before. So what gives. Again I am not making this up and did not
> start this to create an agenda. I just noted to Fernando what I had known
> before during my past and PRESENT development of transcoding media
> hardware
> and software, as well as codecs for hearing aids (yes I can back that up
> very
> well too), that Nvidia decoders did not support non-nvidia chipsets. Now
> I
> get Intel developer labs telling me that Nvidia only support their own
> chipsets, and yet you can very obviously show nvidia's documentation
> highlighting support for ATI's as well as Intel's hardware.
>
> Now I have a goal here, I am going to make something blasted well work. I
> have a whole lab of hardware supporting me, with as much external support
> as
> I really need. I guarantee this, I will get to the bottom of this, and
> document it as well.
>
> JonP P.Eng.
> "Chris Lanier" wrote:
>
>> PDF Link:
>> http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/dvd_decoder/1.00.67/1.00.67_release_notes.pdf
>>
>> Technical Specifications - Page 3
>>
>> **Graphics Chips Supported**
>> NVIDIA DVD Decoder supports all Microsoft DirectX 8.x compatible chips,
>> including:
>> -NVIDIA GeForce 6 series
>> -NVIDIA GeForce4 family
>> -NVIDIA GeForce FX family
>> -NVIDIA Quadro® family
>> -NVIDIA Quadro2 family
>> -NVIDIA Quadro DCC family
>> -NVIDIA Quadro4 family
>> -NVIDIA Quadro FX family
>> -NVIDIA nForce family
>> -NVIDIA nForce2 family
>> ****-ATI® Radeon family****
>> -Intel® i915
>> -Intel® i865
>> -Intel® i845G
>> -Intel i815G/i815EG
>>
>> Hold up, ATI® Radeon family? That's crazy!
>>
>> Again, I'm sorry that you can't get it to work. However, it will work
>> and
>> NVIDIA's Release Notes say it plain and clear. :-)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> Chris Lanier
>> http://www.msmvps.com/chrisl/
>> http://www.thegreenbutton.com/
>>
>> "JonP" <JonP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:31BCD640-F12B-438B-BD98-63D6E13289B4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Robert that is not correct that the decoders will unregister
>> > themselves,
>> > go
>> > through just the test decoders in the DDK yourself and tryit yourself.
>> > It
>> > is
>> > rather odd to think that you can't work and debug with a decoder during
>> > a
>> > valid process. There is a lot of validated code right in the driver
>> > kit
>> > for
>> > just this very thing. How else do you expect do test and verify your
>> > drivers. You can run a process in real time or through and emulator
>> > and
>> > debug in real time, and still get real time capture information on all
>> > information about the decoder, driver, data streams etc you might want.
>> >
>> > By the Robert I did try to follow your instructions, and I haven't had
>> > anything working yet. I also asked you where you got this information,
>> > I
>> > note you did not respond about that as well. As a non-programmer and
>> > non-technical person, it is interesting where you have somewhat
>> > technical
>> > information, where I did ask where it did come from, and you did not
>> > come
>> > back with any details. Don't worry about that, I will verify it from
>> > other
>> > sources.
>> >
>> > As to the point of running the test on a fresh install with the latest
>> > drivers, I did document that I did do that up to 5.5 (that was
>> > yesterday).
>> > Today I did it with 5.6 and there was no change. I also reported this
>> > as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Why is it so difficult to ask for proof other than I just say so. I
>> > have
>> > documented exactly what I did. At the beginning, Fernando asked the
>> > question, and when he ran the Nvidia decoder withit, he got very bad
>> > results.
>> > I responded back exactly why he did, with a procedure to validate the
>> > proper
>> > dvd decoder. Along the way, I have been told that well it works for
>> > me,
>> > but
>> > no one will document it with logs or procedures. If it works to
>> > easily,
>> > then
>> > why not do so. I have developed hardware and software for years and
>> > this
>> > is
>> > rather foolish and unfortunately exactly what I expect from the general
>> > community now.
>> >
>> > JonP.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Robert Schlabbach" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "JonP" <JonP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:75E10DC5-2880-454B-8E6E-FF4D56557A7C@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Seriously though drop the nonsense of not using developer kits
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, you should not attempt to attach a debugger to any process which
>> >> is
>> >> utilizing the NVIDIA decoders, as the decoders (unfortunately) have
>> >> quite
>> >> a
>> >> bit of debugger detection code in them and will unregister themselves
>> >> and
>> >> stop functioning if they ever detect a debugger attached to them...
>> >>
>> >> FYI, I have been using the NVIDIA decoders on both an ATI Radeon 9700
>> >> and
>> >> an ATI Radeon X800 for years (or months in the case of the X800), and
>> >> the
>> >> only issues I ever encountered were fixed by ATI driver updates. So
>> >> there
>> >> is definitely _no_ general incompatibility between NVIDIA's decoders
>> >> an
>> >> ATI
>> >> cards.
>> >>
>> >> As to the issues you are seeing, I noticed you wrote that you had
>> >> other
>> >> decoder packages installed. Some packages install quite a bit more
>> >> than
>> >> just MPEG-1/2 decoders, they also install some auxiliary drivers and
>> >> extra
>> >> "video post processing" filters, some of which aren't even removed
>> >> when
>> >> uninstalling the package. It is at least thinkable that some of these
>> >> components may have prevented the proper function of the NVIDIA
>> >> decoders
>> >> on
>> >> your test machines.
>> >>
>> >> If you really want to give the NVIDIA decoders a proper try on your
>> >> test
>> >> machine, start with a _fresh_ install of Windows XP Media Center
>> >> Edition
>> >> 2005, then install the latest ATI Catalyst drivers, then the NVIDIA
>> >> decoders. _Then_ try if they work as expected...
>> >>
>> >> Regards,«
>> >> --
>> >> Robert Schlabbach
>> >> e-mail: robert_s@xxxxxxx
>> >> Berlin, Germany
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>


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