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From: JW (anonymous_at_Nospam.Iam)
Date: 01/19/05 

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:57:20 -0800

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"Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
news:41d8442c$0$117$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
> Hello again and thanks for your further input.
>
> I've had a look at a few recorded programmes and the file sizes are:
> 141mins = 4.10GB = 1.75GB/Hr
> 42mins = 1.23GB = 1.76GB/Hr
> 35mins = 1.08GB = 1.85GB/Hr
> 115mins = 4.00GB = 2.09GB/Hr
> 31mins = 0.99GB = 1.92GB/Hr
>
> So roughly about 2.00GB/Hr
>
> As you suggest, I'll remove 256MB of ram and change storage to drive C:
> (from F:) as two further separate tests.
>
> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
> news:eODs6wM8EHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> AFAIK the 30 minute Live/Pause buffer is actually a virtual buffer using
>> both disk and as much memory as is currently available. Since your tuner
>> is already receiving encoded digital video a 1 hour program is probably
>> around a 1 GB not the 3 GB as I guessed previously.
>> This means that with your 750MB of ram that you could hold about 40
>> minutes of video in memory even as it is being recorded at the same time.
>> It is very possible that the system is not writing to drive F at the rate
>> at which you are receiving data and that this causes a problem once
>> available memory for buffer use is used up and the writing has to
>> complete before the next input data is processed displayed and sent to
>> disk. You could confirm this by temporarily removing 256MB of RAM and
>> see how long it takes to start seeing your problem.
>> Another option would be to try another drive for storing the TV video.
>>
>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>> news:%23OV0PwD8EHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>I really ment to temporarily change the drive to your C drive not move
>>>the existing files. However, since both drives are NTFS the hunch I had
>>>is probably wrong.
>>> I don't know how big a one hour recording is with your tuner but I was
>>> guessing that it is about 3GB. If that was true your problem starts
>>> happening after 2GB of recording and I was suspecting that after 2GB the
>>> file was being extended in 20MB chunks which is about 17 seconds worth.
>>> However, I don't think that happens with NTFS.
>>>
>>> My last suggestion is that if your F drive is on a IDE bus with a slower
>>> drive that temporarily make it the only drive on a bus.
>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>> news:41d6f4df$0$113$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>> Both drives are NTFS.
>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean by "move your TV file to the C
>>>> drive and try live TV for an hour"
>>>> Do you mean move the file where I store recorded TV which is currently
>>>> on my :F drive ?
>>>>
>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23EQ8svB8EHA.3700@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> How are your C and F disk drives formatted? Are the Fat32 or NTFS?
>>>>> Another thing to try is to have the paging file on your F drive and
>>>>> temporarily move your TV file to the C drive and try live TV for an
>>>>> hour.
>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:41d68af6$0$110$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>> Last night I changed the page file to system managed on both of my
>>>>>> hard drives and recorded several programmes overnight. However the
>>>>>> same hiccuping occurs after 40 minutes.
>>>>>> I will contact conexant next week but meanwhile I am going to pursue
>>>>>> the idea that the problem may be linked to the Pause / rewind live TV
>>>>>> feature. I want to try two things:
>>>>>> 1) If possible disable this feature as I have no need for it anyway.
>>>>>> 2) If its not possible to disable this feature, then I will try to
>>>>>> extend the time buffer up to say 3 hours.
>>>>>> I just have this nagging feeling that the hiccupping starts when the
>>>>>> live tv pause/rewind buffer fills up and starts to overwrite itself.
>>>>>> I'll start a new thread on this with references to this thread.
>>>>>> Mmany thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Ogqvvc37EHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> One other change I thought of is to move your Paging file to the
>>>>>>> same drive as your MCE TV files and to use the option for the System
>>>>>>> to manage the space.
>>>>>>> Otherwise I am out of ideas at this time
>>>>>>> Maybe someone else will review this thread and have some ideas for a
>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:41d5b456$0$113$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>> Hello and thanks for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have 768MB of RAM and my page file is 1152MB - I've now changed
>>>>>>>> this to 2304MB and will test again.
>>>>>>>> I've looked at the CPU and page file usage and got the following
>>>>>>>> results:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Live TV: CPU 38% -46% : Page File 357MB : these numbers did not
>>>>>>>> change when the hiccupping started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Recording TV : CPU 40%-50% : Page File 382MB : again these numbers
>>>>>>>> did not change when the hiccupping started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll contact conexant next week and see what they say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll let you know how I get on but meanwhile, if you have any
>>>>>>>> further suggestions I would be very happy to do further tests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Happy new year and all the best for 2005
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The event logs show no unusual activity at all.
>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eRefFi17EHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Based on your testing the decoder is not the cause of the problem
>>>>>>>>> especially since DVDs play fine. The hiccups are part of the
>>>>>>>>> encoded video. For some reason on any new session of either Live
>>>>>>>>> TV or Recording the encoder is having trouble either in receiving
>>>>>>>>> data from the card into memory or MCE is having trouble recording
>>>>>>>>> the data to disk which it does both for Live TV and for a
>>>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>>>> Restarting the encoding session as demonstrated by the back to
>>>>>>>>> back 30 minute recordings and by stopping and restarting Live TV
>>>>>>>>> or a recording eliminates the problem for another 40 minutes. If
>>>>>>>>> you can email Conexent support I suggest that you send an email
>>>>>>>>> describing all of the testing you have done before you call them
>>>>>>>>> or have one ready to send them when you do call.
>>>>>>>>> I suggest that you monitor CPU utilization and paging activity at
>>>>>>>>> a point before and at a point after the problem starts and that
>>>>>>>>> you look in the event logs for any suspicious activity.
>>>>>>>>> I have assumed from one of your previous posts that you have 1GB
>>>>>>>>> of memory since that is the size of your paging file.
>>>>>>>>> Is this assumption valid?
>>>>>>>>> If in fact you only have 256MB I would upgrade it to 512MB
>>>>>>>>> You also might try doubling the size of your paging file to 2GB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:41d53231$0$110$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Have loaded updated nvidia decoder 1.00.67
>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, the hiccups start on live tv after approx 40 minutes.
>>>>>>>>>> Pausing live tv does not stop the hiccups
>>>>>>>>>> Stopping live tv and restarting is the only way to stop the
>>>>>>>>>> hiccups.
>>>>>>>>>> Last night I recorded a 2hr 30 min programme.
>>>>>>>>>> On playing back, the hiccups start exactly after 41 minutes and
>>>>>>>>>> continue throughout for the remainder of the programme at
>>>>>>>>>> irregular intervals of between 3 and 15 secs.
>>>>>>>>>> This morning I removed the nvidia decoder and installed WinDVD
>>>>>>>>>> v6.0 but the hiccups still occur after approx 40 mins.
>>>>>>>>>> The only thing I can think of now is to disable the pause/rewind
>>>>>>>>>> live tv feature to see what happens - but I don't know how to do
>>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>> After the holidays I will contact Conexant support and see if
>>>>>>>>>> they can help.
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile I would appreciate any further comments you may have.
>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:41d42db3$0$115$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll download version 1.00.67 and give it a try.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've already tried stopping live tv when the huccups start and
>>>>>>>>>>> the hiccups do stop when I restart on the same channel.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've not tried pausing when the hiccups start but I'll try that
>>>>>>>>>>> after I install version1.00.07
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know if it's possible to disable the pause/rewind live tv
>>>>>>>>>>> feature?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:ejgvxro7EHA.1024@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry I meant to say 1.00.67.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you find anything in your event logs that might have
>>>>>>>>>>>> indicated a problem during the 60 minute recording or during
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 45 minutes of live TV?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another test that might help to determine where the problem is
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be to play live TV till the problem starts occurring and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then to pause for a couple of minutes and then play again. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the problem will continue to happen. Then try
>>>>>>>>>>>> completely stopping the live TV and then start it again on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same channel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am beginning to again suspect that the problem is a memory
>>>>>>>>>>>> leak with the Tuner driver and you may need to contact the card
>>>>>>>>>>>> vendor's support team and see if they have any new beta driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the pipeline that you can try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d41614$0$112$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just looked on the nvidia website and I see a version1.00.67
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was released on 20th Dec 04 but I can't find a version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.00.73. Could you point me in the right direction. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:eWE5iln7EHA.824@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The latest is 1.00.73 you might try it. It has several fixes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for MCE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d40558$0$114$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I played a 100 mins DVD this morning in MCE and it played
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole duration faultlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using an NVidia Decoder version 1.00.58 which I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the latest version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uHfXKcg7EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a DVD drive on your system please try playing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD through MCE for an hour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What DVD decoder are you using and are you sure it is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest revision level?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d341fc$0$10791$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have three back to back 30 mins recorded progammes and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they are all perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A 45 mins recorded programme, recorded immediately after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the last 30 mins programmes, starts to hiccup after 40
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mins and hiccups about every 10-15 seconds until the end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that programme.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then decided to leave MCE on live TV and after about 40
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes the same hiccupping occurs but the frequency is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable by between 19 & 30 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could all these hiccup problems be caused by the back up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature for rewinding live TV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that live TV can be paused / rewound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for approx 30 minutes and it is after this that my problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the last 30 minutes of live TV are stored then at some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point the first minute stored will be replaced with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31st minute etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this refreshing of the stored info be causing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiccups?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea where this data is stored and can I disable the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pause feature to see if this is the root of the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uPrF%23Ke7EHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is another poster that has hiccups on recorded TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the cause of his problem has not yet been identified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, his problems occurred early on in any recording,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is not a recording time dependency like the one you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have reported.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you record several 30 minute programs back to back do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of them exhibit the problem? Is there any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activity occurring only your computer when you are making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 60 minute recordings?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d3046d$0$87837$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I haven't played DVD's on MCE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have had random hiccups on live TV but so far I've not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noted the frequency or how long the live TV has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep some records on this too and report back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you seen any other reports of these sorts of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiccups in either live or recorded TV?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Ox6Gr%23c7EHA.1260@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since you have the latest driver I then doubt there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a memory leak since it probably would have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detected early on and the driver updated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any problems when watching Live TV for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extended times or in playing a DVD movie through MCE?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d2dc33$0$105$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My TV card is a LR6650- DIGITAL TV TUNER PCI CARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (DVB-T) CONEXANT and my driver is the latest version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available, which according to Conexant is compatible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with MCE2005 ( In the UK we have little choice at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't looked at the paging activity or the event
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> log activity during the longer recordings but I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check this out with a recording tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a memory leak in the TV Tuner card driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can this be fixed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JW" <anonymous@Nospam.Iam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:urXRjGc7EHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your drive and page file data sounds fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like there is a memory leak in the TV Tuner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card driver. That would be confirmed if you saw the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paging activity increasing over time during a long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What tuner card do you have and have you confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you have the latest MCE drivers for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you found any suspicious activity in the event
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logs during the 60 minute recordings?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:41d2d421$0$117$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Dana,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two hard drives:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive C: 40GB which has the O/S
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive F: 200GB which I use for storage of the TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recordings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My C: drive has a page file of 1152MB (available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6165MB) and there is no page file set for the F:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any benefit in changing the page files or sizes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dana Cline - MVP" <dcline@scriptpro.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:O3cqDYb7EHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How large is the hard drive you're recording to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has it been defragged
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lately? Is it the same drive as the OS and swap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file? You can always get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best performance by having MCE record to a second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dana Cline - MVP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mackem" <Mackem@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:VixAd.776$wg1.267@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With MCE2005 I find that if I record TV programmes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of about 30 minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duration then the quality is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if I record a programme over about 60
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes duration then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts to jump and hiccup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if there is some buffer that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filling up during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when it reaches a certain level the hiccups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a buffer can it be increased in size
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to cope with longer TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recordings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice will be much appreciated.
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