Re: what level MSDN?
From: Chris Lanier [MVP] (cal2002a_at_hotmail.NOSPAM.com)
Date: 05/06/04
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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:18:07 -0500
>> Factors? That's all you could come up with? Everything you listed have
been compatibility issues Windows 95.
Not really. Windows 95 requirements were basically CPU, RAM, HDD Space.
That is easy to put on the side of a box. Including the minimum
requirements for MCE is a bit harder.
MCE would require...
--1Ghz Processor or above (I don't know the true requirement)
--Atleast 256 MB of RAM (More the better)
--Atleast 1GB of hard drive space per hour of recorded TV
--A DVD-ROM drive for DVD playback
--A Supported DVD decoder (You would have to list all of them)
--A DVD burner to add DVD burning
--A support piece of DVD burning software (You would have to list all of
them)
--Atleast a 2 channel sound card (You would have to add information about
5.1 channel audio)
--A supported TV Tuner card (Again, that's a longer list then you want to
put on a box, plus the confusing information about supported AIW cards from
ATI and then the fact that they would have to purchase the Encoder from ATI
for an additional $35, which also would then have to be shipped to them)
--HDTV support, do you really want to read that on the box with all of this
other stuff?
--A video card with S-Video out (Or DVI, describe the differences)
--The correct cables to get audio and video to your TV/AVR (Pictures??)
--Could you upgrade a PC from Windows 2000 to MCE. All of that would have
to be on the box.
>> Hell, they made an add-on on for MCE 2003. How hard would it be to
slipstream it into new copies of XP or make it available as a priced add-on?
What? You mean MCE 2003 (i.e v1) was on MSDN as a second CD? It's not an
"addon", you don't pop the CD in and install MCE just like that. You seem
to be basing alot of this on _your_ personal knownledge. That's cool, i
know that many people could understand how to do it and make it work, but
you can't sell and market this. Selling something that a customer has to
slipstream themselves is not a good idea. Anyway, you don't need to
slipstream it, but it requires a boot into the XP install.
>> So either way, everyone loses here, esp. the consumers or hobbiests.
That's your persoanl opinion. If the curent marketing and selling of MCE
wasnt working you would have already seen a standalone verison of MCE.
Consumers don't lose, if they want it they purchase a PC. A hobbiest will
either (1) Steal it (2) Look to other software. Only about 2% of them
purhcase an MCE PC. Sad for them in my opinion, since i love MCE. But most
of these people also want MCE to do things that are currently not supported
anyway.
>> As far as compatibility, users would see that on the box. Tell me that
you think millions of people buy XP for their P 66 PCs. I doubt it!
Above i listed just some of what would have to be on the box. People don't
read, i'm sorry to say, but 95% of people look at the shinny graphics on the
box and then the slogen on main features listed on the front of the box. I
think you would be supprised how many poeple get XP and then post about then
P100 w/ 48 MB of RAM not installing it.
>> And already, people have figured out how to convert ms-dvr files, since
all software is crackable.
I'm not sure you understand what a "crack" is. A "crack" would allow for a
bit-for-bit recreation of the oringal data. DVR 2 WMV doesnt do this.
DVR-Ripper doesnt do this.
>> If you don't have the required parts that MS suggests that you have,
then you're screwed.
Agreed, but then you get ppl saying how crappy MCE is and that they spent
all of that money and now they can't use it. Even though it would clearly
state what you have to have.
>> Look, I don't care if MS restricts the software to MSDN, but please, let
those of us who aren't noobs allow ourselves to create custom PCs.
It would be great, but Microsoft can not open it to "part" of the market.
You can't market something to a group that small and tell everyone else you
can't use it. That would be a waste of money on Microsoft's part and a
support nightmare. Maybe in 2-3 years all PC's will ship with a TV card and
other needed piece's to the MCE puzzule.
>> Heck, I wouldn't even need MS's support. That's why there are newsgroups
and knowledge bases.
Newsgroups are for peer support, not Product Support. Most people also find
it stupid that they have to post here to get help. They also don't want to
call Microsoft. This equals OEM's supporting their own product. The KB only
covers part of the issues, that will not help when everyone configuration is
different and everyone has different parts, versions, etc of software and
hardware.
-- Get Instant WMP Answers http://tinyurl.com/35rfv -- "briangw" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A33B7E71-1774-4478-9094-E289ED006F64@microsoft.com... > Factors? That's all you could come up with? Everything you listed have been compatibility issues Windows 95. So, sell a MCE addon for those of us who want it. Hell, they made an addon on for MCE 2003. How hard would it be to slipstream it into new copies of XP or make it available as a priced addon? > > People like me who don't want to pay for a service to schedule, record, and pause Live TV have to look elsewhere for freeware and sooner or later others will do the same. Then, MS will realize their mistake like they did with search engines and apologize for not making it public. On the flip side, those who begin to look elsewhere may run across the same possibilities of problems that you mentioned. So either way, everyone loses here, esp. the consumers or hobbiests. > > As far as compatibility, users would see that on the box. Tell me that you think millions of people buy XP for their P 66 PCs. I doubt it! And already, people have figured out how to convert ms-dvr files, since all software is crackable. > > As far as the "noobie" tag, we were all noobs once. Even myself with the old C-64 systems. If you don't have the required parts that MS suggests that you have, then you're screwed. That's why XP/2000 introduced the HCL. Vendors and third party hardware manufacturers need to be held accountable for testing their products with MS stuff. > > Look, I don't care if MS restricts the software to MSDN, but please, let those of us who aren't noobs allow ourselves to create custom PCs. Heck, I wouldn't even need MS's support. That's why there are newsgroups and knowledge bases.
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