Re: How to send NNTP "cancel" message?

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"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:59:57 -0700, Mr Smith wrote:

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelpers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From time to time I delete messages which are considered
to be abusive, or plain rude to other users.

How do you accomplish that?

The poster you responded to used Google Groups to post; I delete all
GG posts in this group (from the client, not the server!) so I
couldn't see his post. However, GG has a facility to cancel posts
appearing in GG. I've done it, even when I've posted with an email
address in the, '.invalid' domain. If you don't have a viable email
address as the "Poster", you have to take some extra steps describing
your posting ID, and swear an affidavit that you have the right to
authorize removal of the post. When GG approves, the post goes,
"poof". At least from the Google Groups.

RFC 1036 says that the server should at least ensure that the
"cancel" message has the same sender id as the message being
canceled. Are you saying that you forge the sender id?

Easy to do in OE :-(. That -- the easy of forging sender ids -- is
why honoring "cancel" messages is deprecated.

In any case, Bruce says the MSnews server does not honor "cancel"
messages. Are you saying he is wrong?

Bruce is correct. I've test this a few times myself. Post an article
to 'msnews.microsoft.com', and you can't cancel it.

No, he's not. Neither are you. It's simple enough to prove. Do it. I
did. And after resetting the groups on the 2nd day, the messages were
gone.
It was true at one time. But it is not true now. Try it, and you'll
see. Or is it just easier to parrot someone else?

Twayne`



However, post an article to 'news.eternal-september.org', and that
server will honor the cancel. If it disappears from Eternal Septmeber
before Microsoft slurps it, 'msnews.microsof.com' will never see it.
OTOH, if Microsoft does slurp it before Eternal September cancels it,
the article will be gone from 'news.eternal-september.org', and
Google Groups (and any other NNTP server which honors cancels), but
it will remain on 'msnews.microsoft.com', and any other NNTP server
which has it, and does not honor cancels.

Consequently, the issuing of a cancel control article is very dicey,
and should not be counted on to work across the global spectrum of
NNTP servers.

I guess I'll have to try it, after all. Twayne, too, did say that
"cancel" works. But Twayne also said that it might "almost
eternity" for the "cancel" to take effect :-(.

Twayne's results are sufficiently spotty that he has developed a
convoluted theory to explain them. Occam's Razor should prefer my
explanation over Twayne's.



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