Re: How to send NNTP "cancel" message?

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Doing a unsubscribe and subscribe again in OE won't
generally clear up any issues with the news message store.

Thanks. I wondered about that myself.


You need to RESET the newsgroup, which will mark it in OE
as if it is visiting the newsgroup for the first time.

How do I reset just one newsgroup?

When I select a newsgroup, then do Tools > Options > Maintenance > Clean Up Now > Reset, it resets all newsgroups.

Anyway, I did that to no avail. No big surprise.


You have to be a very blatant spammer before Microsoft will
block a sender id.

At least, that's how it is __supposed__ to work. But it is, after all, just a list. Sh*t happens!


If an occasional message is blocked, that would most likely
be because the message contains one or more spammer keywords.
Microsoft does not publish this list.

I seriously doubt that I inadvertently used any words or phrases that might triggered a spam filter. You can see for yourself by looking at the messages in Google Groups. (See below.)

And if it was just an "occassional" canceled message, it wouldn't pique my curiosity. Well, maybe it would; I'm a very curious sort, obviously ;-). But it certainly wouldn't pique my concern.

But this happened to a cluster of recent postings. Most of the canceled messages appear on the Google Groups server. Two canceled or blocked messages are in my Sent Items folder, but they do even appear in Google Groups. I wonder if that's because they refer to a canceled message in the References header.

Messages in Google Groups, but no longer on the MSNews server, all in this NG:


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can I disable this: OE scrolls down NG list auto'ly
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:03:36 -0700
Message-ID: <uwzNGkTJKHA.356@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can I disable this: OE scrolls down NG list auto'ly
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:16:18 -0700
Message-ID: <#UGpMrTJKHA.4608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can I disable this: OE scrolls down NG list auto'ly
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:38:05 -0700
Message-ID: <ObUja6UJKHA.356@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How to send NNTP "cancel" message?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:17:42 -0700
Message-ID: <eJLniHoJKHA.6016@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Messages in my Sent Items folder, but not on the Google Groups or MSNews server:


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
References: <e7lS53SJKHA.4376@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <#NajP$SJKHA.4608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <uwzNGkTJKHA.356@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can I disable this: OE scrolls down NG list auto'ly
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:19:20 -0700


From: "WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
References: <e7lS53SJKHA.4376@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <#NajP$SJKHA.4608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <uwzNGkTJKHA.356@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <OuZZaOUJKHA.356@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Can I disable this: OE scrolls down NG list auto'ly
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:31:09 -0700


Thanks for your continued interest. I have yet to try posting with that sender id again and in those threads. I plan to do that; just haven't gotten around to it.


----- original message -----

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eYrtXJ0JKHA.6016@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Doing a unsubscribe and subscribe again in OE won't generally clear up any
issues with the news message store. You need to RESET the newsgroup,
which will mark it in OE as if it is visiting the newsgroup for the first
time.

You have to be a very blatant spammer before Microsoft will block a sender
id. If an occasional message is blocked, that would most likely be
because the message contains one or more spammer keywords. Microsoft does
not publish this list.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"Mr Smith" <mrsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uINRFuvJKHA.4376@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
When you came back did you get a notice that the message
had been canceled or was it just that you couldn't find
it again?

One time, I saw a "removed from server" message; other times, the message
just disappeared.

I have tried unsubscribing and resubscribing. I am pretty sure the
messages are simply gone from the server. I cannot tell for sure without
looking at a network trace of the download. But I have deselected "group
by conversation", and the messages are nowhere to be found within the
time period that I know they were posted, all in the last couple days.


Microsoft doesn't cancel many messages unless they
are obvious spam, contain a virus, or similar. On
occasion a legitimate message is caught by a filter.

That is my current theory. I suspect the sender id got added to a list
of spammers, presumably inadvertently.

I am assuming that the MSNews server removes suspected spam some time
later, rather than block it upon arrival. Is that a valid assumption?

That would explain why I see the articles in Google Groups, but not on
the MSNews server anymore.

Anyway, I am now posting under a different sender identity.


The Microsoft news server is actually a bank of news servers.
They occasionally get out-of-synch. When that happens, when
you next connect to a news server it might be a different one
than you posted to and if the message didn't make it there,
it will seem to disappear.

That's an interesting and viable theory.


Also, issues in your news client could cause a message to
disappear. This includes your view options and blocked
senders list.

I considered that, too. I have checked my view options and blocked
sender list. They seem copacetic. If you can suggest anything in
particular that I should look for, I'd be happy to double-check.

I should reiterate that these messages did appear on the MSNews server
initially. They were removed (or otherwise disappeared) later, often
within an hour, one time after a couple days. I don't believe I made any
changes to my OE configuration in the interim.

Thanks for your thoughtful ideas.


----- original message -----

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ukumv6rJKHA.1724@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
When you came back did you get a notice that the message had been
canceled or was it just that you couldn't find it again?

Messages can be canceled by the news server administrator or server side
filters. Microsoft doesn't cancel many messages unless they are obvious
spam, contain a virus, or similar. On occasion a legitimate message is
caught by a filter.

The Microsoft news server is actually a bank of news servers. They
occasionally get out-of-synch. When that happens, when you next connect
to a news server it might be a different one than you posted to and if
the message didn't make it there, it will seem to disappear.

Also, issues in your news client could cause a message to disappear.
This includes your view options and blocked senders list.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e0hPS5hJKHA.4608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Cancel Message option in OE works

Aha, RTFM! I shoulda tried Help first. Thanks.


Msnews, (this server), does not honor cancel message requests.

Thanks. Saves me the trouble of trying.

Any idea how a message I posted and saw on the server
(msnews.microsoft.com)
subsequently was removed? ("Subsequently" = within a few hours, not
>90 days.)

I don't remember what happened exactly. The message title was
lined-through, and when I hovered the cursor over it, I think, that's
when I saw a message to the effect "removed from server". Some time
later, perhaps when I exited and subsequently revisited the NG, the
message title was removed. I presume the message was removed from my
cache.


AFAIK, very few if any servers still do.

Right. At a company I worked for, our internal news servers initially
accepted "cancel" messages, but only for local newsgroups. At least,
that was the intent. We disabled the feature altogether when we
learned how easy it was for outsiders to cancel messages due to some
individuals' poor crossposting behavior.


I don't believe that the news client you use, or any other tool will
make
a difference. Either the server accepts your request, or it doesn't.

Right. The only verification specified by RFC 1036 is to ensure that
the sender of the "cancel" message is the same as the sender of message
being canceled. But that is easy to spoof.


----- original message -----

"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23Qa4BJgJKHA.4652@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The Cancel Message option in OE works, but only if the server you are
sending it to obliges and actually does cancel the message.

Msnews, (this server), does not honor cancel message requests. AFAIK,
very
few if any servers still do.

I don't believe that the news client you use, or any other tool will
make
a difference. Either the server accepts your request, or it doesn't.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23yY2rCgJKHA.4432@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Can I send an NNTP "cancel" control message using OE?

If not OE, is there some other tool on a standard Win XP (SP3) system
that I can use?

A Google search turned up tech ref pages for the IIS Manager, which
speak
of sending the "cancel" message. I don't know if I have the IIS
Manager;
if I do, obviously I don't know how to run it.

Alternatively, is there a program on a standard Win XP (SP3) system
that
is similar in function to sendmail, the typical SMTP program on most
Unix
systems?

I know that I can use (Unix) sendmail to create and transmit an NNTP
"cancel" message to a specified server.

Of course, I don't know if the "cancel" message would be effective on
that server; and there are NG servers that I cannot even access using
NNTP.

But I'd like to give it a try.

.

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