Re: How to send NNTP "cancel" message?

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When you came back did you get a notice that the message had been
canceled or was it just that you couldn't find it again?

Messages can be canceled by the news server administrator or server side
filters. Microsoft doesn't cancel many messages unless they are obvious
spam, contain a virus, or similar. On occasion a legitimate message is
caught by a filter.

The Microsoft news server is actually a bank of news servers. They
occasionally get out-of-synch. When that happens, when you next connect
to a news server it might be a different one than you posted to and if
the message didn't make it there, it will seem to disappear.

Also, issues in your news client could cause a message to disappear.
This includes your view options and blocked senders list.

--

Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us



"WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Cancel Message option in OE works

Aha, RTFM! I shoulda tried Help first. Thanks.


Msnews, (this server), does not honor cancel message requests.

Thanks. Saves me the trouble of trying.

Any idea how a message I posted and saw on the server
(msnews.microsoft.com)
subsequently was removed? ("Subsequently" = within a few hours, not
>90 days.)

I don't remember what happened exactly. The message title was
lined-through, and when I hovered the cursor over it, I think, that's
when I saw a message to the effect "removed from server". Some time
later, perhaps when I exited and subsequently revisited the NG, the
message title was removed. I presume the message was removed from my
cache.


AFAIK, very few if any servers still do.

Right. At a company I worked for, our internal news servers initially
accepted "cancel" messages, but only for local newsgroups. At least,
that was the intent. We disabled the feature altogether when we
learned how easy it was for outsiders to cancel messages due to some
individuals' poor crossposting behavior.


I don't believe that the news client you use, or any other tool will
make
a difference. Either the server accepts your request, or it doesn't.

Right. The only verification specified by RFC 1036 is to ensure that
the sender of the "cancel" message is the same as the sender of
message being canceled. But that is easy to spoof.


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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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The Cancel Message option in OE works, but only if the server you are
sending it to obliges and actually does cancel the message.

Msnews, (this server), does not honor cancel message requests. AFAIK,
very
few if any servers still do.

I don't believe that the news client you use, or any other tool will
make
a difference. Either the server accepts your request, or it doesn't.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"WhatsUp31415" <whatsup31415@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Can I send an NNTP "cancel" control message using OE?

If not OE, is there some other tool on a standard Win XP (SP3)
system
that I can use?

A Google search turned up tech ref pages for the IIS Manager, which
speak
of sending the "cancel" message. I don't know if I have the IIS
Manager;
if I do, obviously I don't know how to run it.

Alternatively, is there a program on a standard Win XP (SP3) system
that
is similar in function to sendmail, the typical SMTP program on most
Unix
systems?

I know that I can use (Unix) sendmail to create and transmit an NNTP
"cancel" message to a specified server.

Of course, I don't know if the "cancel" message would be effective
on
that server; and there are NG servers that I cannot even access
using
NNTP.

But I'd like to give it a try.



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