Re: Outlook Express Irritating Cleanup Dialog

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You're welcome.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:u5Q01Sb$JHA.3612@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks, Bruce. I removed the Win Search (even though Windows about had a heart attack that I wanted to remove such a program). I did a full HDD image backup first, so if anything screws up I can recover.

Thanks to you and PA Bear for all the help and advice.

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Pete B


"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:%2309fa4Z$JHA.4692@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It will stop the indexing of OE by that program and it /should/ resolve your
issue.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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No you did not mention that name. I do not recall where I saw the term,
maybe in the Help file or something. But OK that is what I will remove.
Will that stop all the indexing as well?


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Pete B


"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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It is Windows Search 4.0. I don't believe either myself or PA Bear
mentioned
"Live".
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA


"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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OK guys, before I do something stupid, let me ask a stupid question: how
do
I remove Windows Live Search? Is that the Windows Search 4.0 app I see
listed in the A/R window installed programs list? I opened WLS itself and
checked the About but naturally it is useless.... I do not actually see
anything named Windows Live Search anywhere that I can remove.


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Pete B



"Pete B" <petescastle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Wow! A lot of info from you and Bruce both, thanks.

I assume that you are talking about Nero plugins in IE, as I do not see
any
such function in OEx. In any case, I do not have any such plugins.

Thanks to you guys, I just found out I actually had Windows Live Search, I
never even knew it was there (tells you how often I use that function).
If
as you say I can remove it, color it gone as soon as I finish posting this
:=). If for nothing else than, how stupid can you get to design a program
like that where you have to enter filenames and cannot even do it with
Copy/Paste?

Let me ask you: I have been trying to shut off indexing for months, short
of going into MSCONFIG and disabling startup of indexing services. If I
get
rid of Win Livwe Search will that elimeinate all the indexing that
suddenly
started running on my PC? I have used the MMC and everythiong else I can
find and have not been able to get Indexing to not run. Yes, I did have
WLS
indexing ermails, not anymore.... Anything else I can do to totally
eliminate indexing? Will removing WLS get rid of all that stuff in the
CPL
app e.g. file types indexing etc as well as the emails?

I disagree with that article on email scanning most emphatically. Maybe
that goes for MS's av software, but my AV, Kaspersky's, and my previous,
AVG, do scans for a lot more than just viruses, it scans for spam and
malware too. I think the guy is wrong to advise not using email scanning.
I have also seen Kaspersky's pick up infected attachments to emails which
are actually one of the the most common way viruses spread. So no way am
I
disabling it. If that advice is what MS says is proper, they need to fix
OEx, not put my PC in danger. MS has the problem, not the AV software. I
want my AV software scanning EVERYTHING, not just what MS says it can
handle.

I do have WinXP SP3, and I do believe this all started about when I
installed the SP3. So that makes sense. It happens when closing OEx or
even when it is still running and it happens about every other day; I use
OEx maybe half dozen times a day max. I do move the emails, empty deleted
etc but it seldom seemed to make any difference for this issue.

I will see if what you listed makes my problems go away or at least get
tolerable. I still think this should be a silent operation thing; I
don't
mind the indexing itself, what I hate is being asked for approval every
time; there shopuld be an option to make it happen unattended. Just do
it,
for gods sake..... :=)


Thanks to you and Bruce (so far).....



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Pete B



"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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See this June 2008 discussion about this WinXP SP3-specific problem:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general/browse_frm/thread/fcd35fbfa457fd6f

For reference, here's a current list of items known to cause this
behavior
(which is NOT being seen by the vast majority of OE users) in "most often
seen" order

. Nero plug-in(s) including Nero Scout*;
. Windows (Desktop) Search is installed
[FIX: Uninstall the application or CONTROL PANEL | INDEXING OPTIONS |
MODIFY | Clear the check box for Outlook Express files (i.e., EML, NWS, &
DBX files)];
. IBM Rapid Access keyboard (driver) RAKDLL.DLL;
. Various & sundry anti-virus applications (including Norton);
. Various & sundry anti-spyware applications;
. Various & sundry third-party firewalls;
. Any/all of the above running when WinXP SP3 was installed;
. Disk defragmentation, need for;
. Using Visual Basic DoCmd.SendObject command to create an email;
. Using any number third-party applications (e.g., accounting software;
FileMaker 6) to send emails by via Outlook Express;
. MailWasher; and/or
. Programatically opening EML files while OE is closed (e.g., creating a
New Message via Address Book).

Please note that OE itself can issue this prompt but only when you close
it.
Adhere to all of the following and you should never see the Automatic
Compact prompt (coming from OE) again:

- Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

- Empty Deleted Items folder daily.

- Frequently perform a manual compact of all OE folders while "working
offline". More at http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm

- Do not cancel Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do not attempt
to
close OE via Task Manager or shutdown your machine if Automatic
Compacting
is taking place.

- Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It can cause
corruption (i.e., loss of messages) and provides no additional
protection:

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

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*IN RE Nero Scout, see Item 2.3 on page 8 here:
ftp://ftp6.nero.com/user_guides/nero8/scout/NeroScout_Enu.pdf

Also see http://www.nero.com/eng/support-faq.html?s=sub&t=Scout
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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


Pete B wrote:
Any way I can change the frequency of the totally annoying
"cleanup/compact" routine that OEx starts up almost every other time I
close the program? Or alternatively, is there any way to stop it form
asking for my input on the matter evry time, rather than just doing the
damend useless task silently?


The damned dialog even pops up now when I am in the middle of using the
program. Talk about Microsoft Malware, this has to be the most asinine
implementation of an idea Microsoft ever dreamed up (well, except
Windows
98, maybe)....





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