Re: Sent Items still MIA, tried importing from .dbx

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You can't accidentally delete or move the mandatory folders (Inbox,
Outbox, Sent Items, Drafts, Deleted Items). OE won't allow that. They
can only be deleted from outside of OE.

Any user created folder can be moved or deleted. Whether they are a
subfolder or not doesn't matter.

I was just suggesting how a folder might have been deleted. At this
point there's no way to tell what really happened.

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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"T" <T@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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But if subfolders are independent, then that doesn't explain the
disappearance of my Sent Items subfolder dbx file, on top of the
contents of
the default Sent Items folder, and the subfolder itself in OE. What
you are
describing would involve an awful lot of un-noticed mistakes on my
part,
almost simultaneously.

If I somehow dragged my entire Sent Items folder to the Deleted Items
folder, then there should still be a corresponding dbx of a Sent Items
subfolder. And in that scenario, the subfolder contents should not
have been
deleted if the subfolder was truly independent.

All my other subfolders, whether under Inbox, E-mail A, E-mail B, or
Local
Folders, are still present and accounted for, as well as have
corresponding
dbx files in the store.

For me to have accidently dragged at least one, if not two (it
wouldn't have
been opened for a long time, but I *know* I always had a second
subfolder for
sent mail relating to a particular long-term project which concluded
last
year) into Deleted Items right before losing the contents of the main
Sent
Items folder, given that I have never before accidently dragged any
entire
folder anywhere - a message, sure, right-click to delete when folder
not
message highlighted, yes, a folder dragged?.....it's a bit of a
stretch


"Michael Santovec" wrote:

Subfolders are physically independent of the containing folder. The
only link is an entry in Folders.dbx which causes the subfolder to
appear under the containing folder in the folder list or to be
included
in a find for subfolders.

There is another scenario that could explain your loss. If you click
on
a folder and move the mouse a bit while clicking, the folder can get
dragged into the adjacent folder with no warning (I've done that a
few
times). Since the Sent Items is just above Deleted Items, if your
missing folder was the last one under Sent Items, and you clicked it
and
moved the mouse down a bit, it could have been moved to Deleted
Items.
And then if you manually or automatically emptied the deleted items,
that would lose the folder.

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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"T" <T@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Thank you for that suggestion as a possible explanation, but would
not
have
happened here.

For one thing, indeed I do get that warning prompt on occasion and
make VERY
certain that a particular message, not a folder, is selected for
deletion.

Secondly, and particularly for this sub-folder, which would never
have
any
e-mails except for those I specifically physically move into it, I
would
never choose to delete any. I have sent very few e-mails via OE in
a
long
time, so it's unlikely I would have been deleting any "Sent Items"
to
begin
with, only viewing that folder, and occasionally going back to
transfer some
e-mails into the subfolder.

Thus, a mistake of accidently selecting that entire folder rather
than
individual e-mails for deletion would not have happened. And
certainly
not
within the past few weeks - when that folder was last seen, and the
entire
Sent Items content was still completely intact.





"Michael Santovec" wrote:

User created folders can easily be deleted. Too easily.

If focus is on the folder list rather than the message list and
you
press delete, the folder gets deleted rather than just the
message.
You
do get an Are you sure dialog, but many people respond to that too
quickly.

When a user folder is deleted, it becomes a subfolder of the
Deleted
Items folder. If you then empty the deleted items folder, or have
the
option to automatically empty it on closing (Tools, Options,
Maintenance) then the folder is permanently deleted at that time.

Assuming that you don't have any manual backups, then you MIGHT
get
back
SOME of your messages using a recovery utility, such as
DBXpress - http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx


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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"T" <T@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I am still hoping for some response regarding:

I was trying to explain that a subfolder I created "under"
the main Sent Items is not only missing in OE, **there IS no
corresponding
dbx folder in the store**!

So, for [PA Bear's] step 4b, I CANNOT drag the BlahBlahBlah Sent
.dbx,
because it is not where all the other dbx's are, and its
whereabouts
completely unknown.

And that's confusing me if User Created folders were supposed to
be
safe(r)
and the location did not matter. (All my other subfolders appear
to
be
present and accounted for. This, (and I'm fairly sure I had
another
Sent
subfolder as well) was "under" Sent Items, as these contained
e-mails
sent
from my A1 e-mail address, as opposed to the e-mails sent from
the
address
which corresponds to the primary Inbox).






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