Re: Outlook Express/Hotmail mail setup questions and general use quest
- From: "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:38:11 -0400
A1a. No one knows if the grandfathered free access to Hotmail in OE will continue indefinitely.
A1b. MSN/Hotmail will be eliminating WebDAV (HTTP) soon.
A1c. POP3 access is not available for any name@xxxxxxxxxxx account. A very small number of MSN Premium "legacy" subscribers can still access their name@xxxxxxx accounts via POP3.
A2. To archive messages in Hotmail folders other than Inbox and folders you created at www.hotmail.com, you must Copy them to local OE folders.
A3. WYSIWYG. OE Message Rules are not applied to incoming HTTP or IMAP messages. Filtering for free Hotmail accounts are available at www.hotmail.com > Options > Junk Mail and Filters (and I think the limit is 10 filters).
A4. If you move the Hotmail messages to a local folder, you can apply Message Rules to these local folders manually. You cannnot apply Message Rules manually to any Hotmail folders.
A5. If OE is available on your mobile device, you would configure your mail accounts the same way as on your PC. If OE is not available on your mobile device but IE is, you'd have to use web-mail (e.g., www.hotmail.com; http://mail.yahoo.com).
A6. Only you can decide which Mail Client suits you best. From what you describe in your post, yes, it does sound like Gmail would be preferable to Hotmail for your uses.
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~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Security, Shell/User)
keltraine wrote:
Hey all (and mostly to the OE MVPs whom I'm hoping can help me with my
query),
I'm looking for some expert guidance here and I seem to have a more basic
question than a lot of sites address:
What I'm wondering is how to maximize my efficiency with my personal email
account. What I'm looking for is the ability to basically get a personal
email account working pretty much like I have it with my corporate work
email account and Outlook (2003). I'm currently using Outlook Express 6
and free Hotmail access through HTTP (and have been for like 5 years) and
have a couple specific questions about that:
1) I guess I was using OE to access Hotmail through HTTP from before they
stopped that for new Hotmail accounts. What I'm wondering is whether
there's a known date before WebDAV (HTTP) access will be cut off for
OE--that's never been clear from the postings I could find on the internet?
And if so, does anyone know whether I will still be able to POP to my
account for free since it' a legacy and "valued" account or will I need to
go to Hotmail Plus for that? Thinking of trying to setup POP now but don't
want to screw anything up, so info on that before I try it would be good.
2) My biggest issue seems to be that I want functionality I can't get with
my current setup (so I want to know if this assertion is correct or not).
What I mean is that with my coporate setup I have 2 months worth of mail
that stays on the server and that is available to me in an .ost so I can
access it offline and whenever I connect those changes are synchronized;
this is true for all folders under my inbox that my mail is sorted into
(oh, I should mention I only check work mail from my work laptop and I
travel a lot, hence the need for offline access with both work email and
personal email). Then after the 2 months, all the mail is auto-archived (I
didn't used to have to do this but they put size restrictions on our
accounts b/c the Exchange server was choking and since mine was at 10GB, it
kinda made sense! ;P) and put into a couple different .psts to store it,
which I have open in Outlook.
Now there doesn't seem to be any way to really do that with a Hotmail
account, at least the ways you can setup access to Hotmail, no? It doesn't
support MAPI (like Outlook), nor IMAP, which seems like it'd be the closest
analogue. If I was able to POP to it and I left messages on the server,
they'd all be unsorted on the server and I like sorting them into folders to
better organize them. And what I do now is HTTP access which does sync and
act kinda like IMAP but the problem there is that I run into my next
question...
3) One thing I like about my corpotate setup with Outlook is the ability to
apply rules (an unlimited number) to incoming messages so they can all be
nicely sorted into folders. Currently my free Hotmail account only allows
15 rules for incoming messages. That's enough for all the newsgroups I'm
sub'ed to but not all the event lists and travel and shopping sites, etc
that I get mail from. I really prefer to keep things simple and like using
just one email account (I don't get much spam to this one despite being
registered on all these sites) and if I could just get enough filters to
catch all those different domains, that would help a lot with managing my
email.
The problem is, even Hotmail Plus (which I was considering upgrading to)
only supports 36 filters, and that's like half of what I need for proper
online filtering. So that won't be enough.
4) So maybe my solution is to give up access to messages on the server and
just download everything locally? In that case OE has rules that you can
apply and those should be unlimited right? So I would get rid of my online
rules and just leave everything in my inbox and once I dl it through OE,
it'd apply it's filters and sort into the 70 or so folders I currently have?
5) The only issue with that is now I'm trying to set up access to my
personal email (finally) through a mobile device. I want to be able to read
my email and get it real time and not have to have my laptop and OE with
me--get the messages as they come in. Without listing out all the
permutations here and knowing what I've asked above, what's the best way to
do that?
6) Finally, Ihave to ask this even though this is the OE newsgroup--is there
a better email client for what I'm trying to do? What if I go POP and try
and dl my messages and filter them? I used to use Pine on a UNIX server
back when I was in college and could try PC-Pine or Eudora or other things
if anyone has any recommendations to that effect.
And even going one step further, if Hotmail isn't the best email account to
do this in, maybe would it make sense to switch to gmail (I have multiple
gmail accounts) and leave messages on the server there and POP from that and
that would work for OE or whatever program I use to check mail on my laptop,
and allow me to POP to whatever mobile device I decide to use?
As you can see, this is a pretty broad topic and there's a lot of stuff in
there. If you've made it this far, THANK YOU, and any answers to the
specific questions and any insight into my more general dilemma/questions
would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all again.
.
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