Re: Cleaning up newsgroups
- From: "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:46:26 -0700
Using Clean Up Now, if you choose Delete, it deletes all messages. Remove leaves the Message Headers, but removes everything else. If you want to delete all messages in a newsgroup, all you have to do is click on any message header and key Ctrl+A and all messages are highlighted. The Delete key deletes them all.
What happens when you delete newsgroup messages, or e-mail is that they are fragmented, but technically still taking up space on your HDD. Just like when you delete a lot of things on your HDD, a Defrag is needed to get that space back. Compacting is essentially OE's way of Defragging.
What I find myself doing a lot is this: Lets say I have 20 days of messages in a newsgroup. I want to delete the oldest 10 days. I click on the first message I want deleted, then I hold down Ctrl+Shift while I click End. This highlight the oldest messages I want to get rid of an I just click Delete. After I have rid myself of all the news and e-mail messages, emptied the Deleted Items folder etc., then I compact all folders.
Hope this answers your question.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP - (IE/OE)
~IB-CA~"Marty" <mart915@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uZu5Of4wFHA.1124@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks again for the responses. Trying to digest everything, I will compact all folders regularly and perhaps use the message rule because the Microsoft server keeps messages for a long time. Does that make sense?
I think I understand compacting, but not cleaning up NGs. Could someone provide a simple definition of the latter and explain how it differs from compacting?
"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ujjFGRswFHA.3864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxCompacting is the main thing that needs to be done. It goes through the OE DBX files and recovers the wasted disk space from deleted messages giving it back to the operating system.
Unless you are having a problem, you shouldn't need to use the "Clean Up Now".
The Message Rule from Bruce is helpful if the news server that you use keeps messages for a very long time and want to minimize the disk space the OE uses. I would guess that very few OE users use such a rule.
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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
"Marty" <mart915@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OyXmw4rwFHA.2880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxThanks to Michael, Bruce and Frank for the replies. As is always the case, I am confused. I never did, and still don't, understand what cleaning up newsgroups actually means, but I did it by rote because someone said it needed to be done.
Do I correctly understand that I do not need to use the "Clean up now" option under Tools>Options>Maintenance?
The message rule that Bruce mentioned sounds like the rule I used to use.
I have compacted all folders regularly ever since I learned from this group that it was advisable. I got the impression that compacting was not enough; that I still had to clean up NGs over and above compacting. Is this correct?
Once again, thanks.
"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:O1w7auiwFHA.3864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxThere are many options.
You can create a message such as this:
Tools>Message Rules>News.
Box 1: Where the message was sent more than days ago Box 2: Delete it Box 3: Click on "Days" and choose the # of days you want. Name the rule.
*NOTE* This will not delete messages automatically. You have to go to Tools>Message
Rules>News, and click Apply Now when you want to do this. Also, you will be given a choice of which newsgroup to delete from after you click Apply Now.
If you want to delete a selection of messages, but not the first or last, click on the last message you want to delete, scroll up as far as you want to delete messages, hold down the Shift key and click on that message. This will highlight the messages in blue. Hit the Delete key.
If you want to delete every message after a certain one, click on the newest message you want deleted. Hold Ctrl+Shift and tap the End key, then Delete.
If you want to delete all messages in a newsgroup, highlight any message - Hold Ctrl & A and tap Delete.
Any way you do it, follow up by compacting all your folders *manually* while working offline, and in Outlook Express at the top of the Folder Tree.
File>Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the Status Bar). File>Folder>Compact all folders.
In Tools>Options>Maintenance: Uncheck: Compact messages in background. {N/A if running XP-SP2}.
Bruce Hagen MS MVP - (IE/OE) ~IB-CA~
"Marty" <mart915@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:uqdQWhhwFHA.4032@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxI got a new computer about two weeks ago after the old hard drive got ruined. Someone had once walked me through the process of setting up a rule on the old PC to accomplish the cleaning up, but I don't remember exactly what the rule was. Can someone help?
However, do I even need that rule? I notice on Tools>Options>Maintenance that there is a "Clean up now" option. It's not clear to me whether the messages that the option refers to are mail or news, but will clicking that option periodically accomplish the task of cleaning up newsgroups?
Also, on that Maintenance tab, do you recommend sticking with the default settings under "When compacting messages"?
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