Re: Newsgroups with large number of posts hangs OE

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Unfortunately Microsoft has not made any substantial advancements to OE since 1998. The yenc has other issues with it, but clearly OE was not designed to be scalable to the size of messages and newsgroups that are more contemporary.

steve

"drdug" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:Oq40ewFRFHA.904@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks for your reply. That was one of the first things I did. The problem is I think MS never thought OE would be used so much for NGs and they don't really care how well it works or how powerful it is. For example how many years have people been posting things in the yEnc format? Has MS ever addressed that incompatibility with updates of OE? No it hasn't. You can't configure different folders for NGs of interest, like I can't have a "Music" folders containing only music NGs, etc.

One thing I am going to try, and Robert Aldwinckle above kinda gave me the idea: Change the number of headers to automatically d/l to the minimum, and use the "Sync All" function to actually d/l the headers. It seems to be much more stable doing it that way. Then when I click on the group, all it will have to do is load the already d/l'ed headers, and won't have that many to find when it accesses the NG. I will let everyone know how this pans out.



"Steve Cochran" <scochran@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:ukImvOARFHA.4028@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
If you have a large NG such as what you are describing, you need to clean it up and compact the folder. The best way to do this is to right click on the folder name in the folder list. Then go to Properties | Local File and if you don't need the headers then click on the remove headers button, then click on the compact button. If you want the older headers, then just click on the compact button. Or use File | Folder | Compact while in that folder. That will reduce the size of the file to its minimum, given the number of headers and messages, and that should provide an increase in performance.

You need to to this on a regular basis, to keep the file size as small as possible.

steve

"drdug" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:e4BXfT1QFHA.2384@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks for your reply. I guess I wasn't clear enough in my original post. I CAN d/l all the headers, but it stalls OE for up 30 minutes or more. In fact the problem isn't on the initial download of headers...it is on subsequent visits to the group after the initial download of a few hundred thousand headers. OE loads the stored ones, which understandably takes varying amounts of time to reach 100%.

Then comes the new headers. This is what takes forever. Sometimes OE gives a "(Not Responding)" in the title bar, other times it doesn't. And it doesn't matter if there are only a few hundred headers to add or several thousand. It's almost as if it is comparing every single stored header on my computer with the server, and doing so VERY SLOWLY before d/l any new headers.

But I have noticed that if I go to Task Manager, it will say "not responding" even when the title bar doesn't. Anyway, not only does OE halt for a while, my whole system often slows to a crawl. Interestingly, there isn't undo HDD activity, which I would expect with an entire system slowdown like that. Nor does Task Manager show any one process taking up the CPU resources.

As far as the diagnostic suggestions, I fear you are casting pearls before swine, as I haven't attained that level of geekdom yet, and don't know what to make of the netstat results. I did try it though, hoping it would tell me something I could understand.




"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:OL15wcXQFHA.3196@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
"drdug" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eEaLaJTQFHA.164@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
...

if you d/l only part of the headers, you may be
missing something you want to d/l.

...

The subject of this thread is a complaint about being unable
to download *all* headers.   I have shown you that you could download
*all* headers provided you are willing to do it in pieces.

BTW have you tried diagnosing your "not responding" symptom?
E.g. try using netstat -ps tcp 5 to see if anything is actually still
going on underneath. As long as something is still happening
you can ignore the symptom and expect that eventually a complete
response to your request will be given.

However, depending on how your server  packages such a response,
I wouldn't be surprised if the server is at fault and not OE.
For that particular response the troubleshooting log will be inadequate
to help you understand the symptom.   For it you would need to invoke
a  TCP  packet trace to capture the full  NNTP protocol.


Robert
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