Re: OE/Hotmail
From: Vanguard (use_ReplyTo_at_domain.invalid)
Date: 02/15/05
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:57:55 -0600
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote
>
>>A visit to the MSN home page will give you answers.. if you look it up
>>for yourself, that will save me doing it as I have no intention of
>>using the service.. not because it isn't useful, but simply because I
>>use my ISP mail ID as primary..
>>
>> and Alias, Yahoo mail gets way more spam that Hotmail does..
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/user
>
> Wrong. I did an experiment. I opened one Hotmail account and one Yahoo
> account. I told no one about them. I used neither. The Hotmail account
> gets about 20 spam mails a day, in the Inbox, not the Junk Mail box.
> The Yahoo account has yet to get one single spam. This experiment
> started two years ago. I have another Yahoo account with Yahoo.es that
> I do use and is even listed on a Yahoo Group as a member/moderator of
> the group and it hasn't gotten any spam either in over three years.
> Finally, I have a Yahoo account that I have been using since 97 on
> many different Yahoo Groups. It gets about one spam message a month
> and Yahoo catches it and puts it in the Spam folder. What kind of
> experiments did you carry out?
> --
> Alias
>
> Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email
> me.
> Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
>
There are differences in how much spam you will receive in your test
accounts based on what you used for their usernames. If you open an
account as "JohnWalker", "John_Walker", "JohnW", or "John48" on both
Hotmail and Yahoo, you will get spammed on both of them. When I created
test accounts in Yahoo and Hotmail that used a highly scrambled
username, something like DKL56S8V44R, and even with spam filtering
disabled at Yahoo and Hotmail, I didn't get any spam in those accounts.
Some users wonder why they immediately receive spam on a Yahoo or
Hotmail account that they just created. Well, they are using simple
text strings in their username that any of the name generators used by
spammers will compile, and the spammers have been sending to that
username on that domain even before the account even existed.
As to how effective are their spam filters, Hotmail uses Brightmail and
configures it "loose" under the concept that it is better to get some
spam and generate fewer false positives (but Microsoft did something a
few months back that seemed to have increased catching more spam). I
have seen more false positives with Yahoo's spam filtering than with
Hotmail's. The most aggressive setting available to the user for spam
filtering on Hotmail is not that aggressive. Yahoo uses their own
proprietary spam filter. Previously it was better than Hotmail's but
being proprietary means they can't take advantage of any advances or
changes afforded by other 3rd party anti-spam products.
With Hotmail's exclusive filter mode, I obviously won't get any spam but
then I also don't get any e-mails in the Inbox from senders not listed
in my address book. If the sender isn't listed in my address book,
their e-mail gets moved, junked, or deleted depending on how Hotmail is
configured to handle "junk" mails. Yahoo has no exclusive filtering
mode.
With a freebie Yahoo account, I can use YahooPOPs to access that account
but also slide in the SpamPal proxy in the chain to add further spam
detection. I haven't seen a spam in my Outlook Inbox for, well, for so
long that I can't remember how long. For Hotmail, I'd have to use
Hotmail Popper (so I could slide in SpamPal between it and the e-mail
client) but that would only work for a PAID Hotmail account. There are
plug-ins to Outlook to add spam filtering but then only that client gets
any benefit. I don't need to pay for a Yahoo account to let me slide in
a universally acessible anti-spam proxy that is usable by any POP3
capable e-mail client.
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