Re: HOTMAIL
From: N. Miller (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 12/23/04
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:00:07 -0800
In article <uHNXA1E6EHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, Steve Collier says...
> Hotmail now wants you to pay to access through OE. It claims it is to
> protect you from hackers and spam, but more likely to ensure free hotmail
> account holders look at all the advertising. The alternative is to access
> hotmail through a browser.
It is not to protect the Hotmail user from hackers, or spammers. It is to
protect the WebDAV servers from spammer abuse. MSN Hotmail users were
finding it hard to send email when the WebDAV servers were being blocked
because spammers were abusing them to send spam.
It took me a while to find the right search keyword to pull some Hotmail
spam from my collection. Partial headers from to (of several score) spam
email messages sent using the WebDAV servers:
------Exhibit A------
Return-Path: <shoeshuiveriger@msn.com>
Received: from 65.54.169.68 (EHLO hotmail.com) (65.54.169.68)
by mta140.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:00:29 -0800
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:00:26 -0800
Received: from 193.237.14.51 by bay3-dav38.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV;
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:00:26 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [193.237.14.51]
---------------------
------Exhibit B------
Return-Path: <cyprididpuckettebet@msn.com>
Received: from 65.54.169.63 (EHLO hotmail.com) (65.54.169.63)
by mta229.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:29:07 -0800
Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:29:06 -0800
Received: from 203.59.148.35 by bay3-dav33.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV;
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:29:06 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [203.59.148.35]
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In these cases it would take my two attempts to lodge a complaint. MSN's
abuse department would disclaim responsibility, based on the originating IP
address. I would have to resubmit the complaint, pointing out that their
server passed the spam to my pacbell.net account, served by the yahoo.com
server. Many mail system administrators just started blocking the WebDAV
servers in self defense; a block would prevent a legitimate Hotmail user
from reaching anybody using the blocking system.
Apparently, MSN can't figure out how to secure the servers against spammer
abuse, so they are going to limit access to paying users; presumably because
spammers aren't expected to sign up for paid services, when they will lose
the account for spamming. Or something like that.
In any case, the abuse from MSN Hotmail servers was very real, the response
by the abused mail systems was very real; and MSN Hotmail has decided that
this is the only way to ensure that their mail service will still have some
value to the MSN Hotmail users.
I am not affiliated in any way with MSFT, MSN Hotmail, or any related
operation. I am just an SBC Global customer whose ISP account received
scores of spam from MSN Hotmail WebDAV servers.
-- Norman ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint
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