Re: OE 6& SP2 CORRECTION TO PREVIOUS

From: Ron Sommer (rsommer_at_nospam.ktis.net)
Date: 08/27/04 

Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:36:58 -0500

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"N. Miller" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b98660ee2ed4a8598a390@msnews.microsoft.com...
> In article <10a301c48bd3$40b6d220$a301280a@phx.gbl>, Stephen Einson
> says...
>
>> After upgrading to SP2 I can receive mail but I can't send
>> mail using my MSN account. I can send and receive mail
>> using my alternative ISP as a secondary ACCOUNT in OE 6
>
>> The error message from the MSN account is:
>> ==============================
>> The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'MSN
>> Sat', Server: 'smtp.email.msn.com', Protocol: SMTP, Port:
>> 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number:
>> 0x800CCC0E
>> ====================
>> I have eliminated my router, and now feed from the Lan Card
>> directly into my DSL modem.
>
> Put the connection back the way it was; the router is not the problem.
>
>> I have turned off the Windows firewall and also have
>> disabled Norton Anti Virus.
>
> Re-enable the ICF. Man, do you like to live dangerously! No router, no
> firewall; just a bare, unprotected Windows XP computer connected directly
> to
> the Internet. It is a wonder that you aren't infected; especially with NAV
> disabled! Yikes, man; you are a disaster looking for a place to happen!!!

After SP2, the ICF is now called Windows Firewall.
So, technically the only way to turn on ICF would be to uninstall SP2. :-) 

-- 
Ron Sommer
>
>> The strange thing is that Port 25 is used for both my MSN
>> service and for my alternative ISP email functions.
>
> Nothing strange about it. Even my server uses port 25. Port 25 is the
> standard port for SMTP clients to connect when passing SMTP messages. If
> there wasn't such a standardized port, there would be no easy way for any
> one SMTP client to know how to connect with any SMTP server; not without a
> lengthy port scan.
>
>> Any suggestions.
>
> I have already made some. My next suggestion is to do a thorough scan with
> Norton, after reactivating it, and updating it. You only need to disable 
> the
> email scanning, not the whole shebang.
>
> Now, look at this. I made this happen by suitable changes to my system:
>
> ==============================
> The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'Sally
> J', Server: 'mail.pacbell.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port:
> 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10060, Error Number:
> 0x800CCC0E
> ====================
>
> The connection failed because I put a block on port 25 in my Netgear 
> router;
> no computer on my LAN would have been able to connect to an SMTP server 
> off
> site. Something between your gateway connection (the modem) and MSN is
> blocking port 25 access; you can't get to the server, 
> 'smtp.email.msn.com',
> from the connection that you are trying it on.
>
> My guess is, you tried to reach the MSN SMTP server while connected 
> through
> your alternate ISP; and they are blocking port 25 off of their network at
> their border routers. You won't be able to use any SMTP server, other than
> that of your alternate ISP, when you are so connected. It is an anti spam
> measure.
>
> It is unlikely that you can prevail on them to change their policy, but 
> you
> might try it. It is even less likely that MSN will implement a Mail
> Submission Server; a special MTA which accepts authenticated connections
> from Mail Submission Clients on TCP port 587; MSN is trying to move their
> customer base away from SMTP mail to HTTPMail.
>
> Now, put your rig back the way it was; and, in the future, ask your
> question, and post your error message, ***BEFORE*** you make system 
> changes
> which reduce your security to zero.
>
> -- 
> Norman
> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

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