Re: Outlook Express will not send mail.
From: Lester Hinton (anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 05/24/04
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Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:32:17 -0700
When I was stating my problems, I meant trying these
programs independently, on their own. I like Outlook
Express the best, but my wife and daughter likes Hotmail.
I want to try to makes us all happy. I guess I will have
to changed my router settings when I want to use Outlook
express. And change them back when I am not using the
program. I like to learn from others, so I can help
someone else. Thank you replies. I use Windows XP Pro.
>-----Original Message-----
>Frequenters of this and other OE newsgroups know that
MSN/Hotmail's servers
>have been throwing fits for over a month now. Lester's
problem is getting
>Hotmail to work in OE. Thousands of others have been
having the very same
>problem and error messages in the past weeks. The
problem is not in the OS,
>OE, or his connection settings.
>
>And, as all Hotmail-in-OE users should know by now,
Hotmail access in OE is
>provided as a beta service. There are no guarantees.
There is no support
>from MSN/Hotmail.
>--
>HTH - Please Reply to This Thread
>
>~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP
>
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>Shannon Jacobs wrote:
>> Typically useless response from the now typically
useless MVPs. Microsoft
>> has destroyed yet another resource for free support.
Sad, since the MVPs
>> used to be very helpful and knowledgeable.
>>
>> Oh, yes. The obligatory substantive technical comment:
I (and many other
>> people) have very similar problems and I have studied
all of the below
>> referenced documents (and many others) and I have
tried all of the
>> Microsoft-recommended solutions. Those solutions do
not work.
>>
>> My own conclusion after some months of struggle is
that the root cause is
>> actually flaws in the IP implementation under Windows
2000 (and probably
>> W9x, too), but I have not been able to find any public
discussions of this
>> part of the situation. I strongly suspect that
Microsoft is aware of it
>> internally. The situation is somewhat complicated and
runs backwards, and
>> I am saying this on the basis of taking the original
UNIX-based
>> implementations as the definition of "correct network
behavior". During
>> the long period when W2K was an important client
system (probably
>> extending back into the W9x period), the servers (my
own research has
>> mostly involved NNTP servers) were developed and
tested against those W9x
>> clients. Testing and debugging continued until they
worked, because that
>> was a crucial de facto client standard. Networks were
also tested and
>> configured accordingly.
>>
>> When Microsoft redid the TCP stacks for Windows XP,
they "fixed" things.
>> The result was actually that many server and network
configurations that
>> worked under W2K became broken. However, my testing
has shown that the
>> new WXP networking behavior actually corresponds to the
>> correct-by-prior-definition behavior on UNIX boxes, so
they can't "fix"
>> it, because now WXP is actually doing the correct
thing--it is the
>> servers and networks that have become "broken"
(because they were
>> configured to work with a broken "standard"
implementation). (And by the
>> way, this explains why Microsoft's own (NNTP) servers
work properly--they
>> have been fixed. As I noted earlier, I do believe that
Microsoft is
>> internally well aware of the real problems. If you pay
Microsoft some
>> money for the "premium" support, they will reveal some
small but
>> sufficient part of the solution unto you. Probably yet
another secret
>> backwards "compatibility" mode.)
>>
>> As the OP noted, the variations of the problems are
widespread and
>> frequently reported, and almost never solved. I
haven't totaled up the
>> numbers, but my belief is that many, or perhaps most,
of the people with
>> these problems simply give up and switch to Web-based
alternatives. In
>> fact, XP practically requires Web connectivity, so in
that sense this is
>> a problem that include its own workaround. This masks
the scope of the
>> problem rather effectively. The problem remains
unsolved, but the victims
>> work around it. However, in the old days of competent
MVPs, one of them
>> would have escalated the problem and found a real fix
long ago.
>>
>> PA Bear wrote:
>>> Yeah, it's a known problem:
>>>
>>> 250663 - MaxMTU - TCP-IP Registry Entries in the
NetTrans Subkey
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=250663
>>>
>>> 315008 - OE Hangs sending.message.Attachment - MTU
values
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315008
>>>
>>> Cannot Send Outgoing Mail (Linksys and Word)
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=329918
>>>
>>> Error Message 421 and Linksys router
>>> http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=87
>>>
>>> But I wouldn't make a lotta changes just for Hotmail-
in-OE. Most such
>>> problems are on MSN/Hotmail's end. Of course YMMV.
>>>
>>> Lester Hinton wrote:
>>>> This problem is widespread,I been several forums,and
did a
>>>> search to find them. I called my ISP several
times,and
>>>> they said everything at their servers was alright.
>>>> Netgear wants $28 dollars to help me. I uninstalled
Zone
>>>> Alarm, and Norton System Works still not good. I
found
>>>> that my problem was the MTU setting in my Netgear
router.
>>>> It was set to 1500. Now the weird thing is if I lower
>>>> this to 1499 my Outlook Express mail will send. But
>>>> Hotmail will stall opening up mail. Now if its
>>>> 1500 Hotmail will work, Outlook Express will get this
>>>> error. Now why is one digit making this much of a
>>>> difference? That what I too know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your server has unexpectedly terminated the
connection.
>>>> Possible causes for this include server problems,
>>>> network problems, or a long period of inactivity.
>>>> Subject 'Hello How everyone doing!!!!!!',
>>>> Account: 'pop3.cebridge.net',
>>>> Server: 'smtp.cebridge.net', Protocol: SMTP, Port:
25,
>>>> Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10053, Error Number:
>>>> 0x800CCC0Fet on 1500 Hotmail works but Outlook will
get
>>>> this error
>
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