Re: another POP client-can U help

From: *Vanguard* (no-email_at_reply-to-newsgroup.invalid)
Date: 05/22/04 

Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 00:19:52 -0500

MR said in news:ei0QUd7PEHA.3748@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
> Hi- I was at majorgeeks download web site-I use regular yahoo for my
> emails- I have 3 with them for diferent needs-But, I dont have POP in
> the free version. I noticed that one of the downloads in the email
> section was a program called "Yahoo Pops" (or similar)-Basically, it
> says it does what it says like O.Express- I wonder if one could get
> in trouble or have difficulties for getting this pop thing because it
> is not from yahooŽ.
> the original company-And as you know there are alot of pop free ware
> or pay type that can offer this. My ISP gives me pop3 because it was
> included-But I rarely use that email account-99% of the time I use
> yahoo. Any help if you have used free pop clients other than OE or
> even the yahoopops one I mention here???????
> I want to be able to check email without going online and read
> reviews on some on cnet too but too much negative posts that I wonder
> if it is not wise. thanks in advance

I have used YahooPOPs for maybe a year. It got more stable at version
0.5. Download from yahoopops.sourceforge.net. It runs as a local
HTTP-to-POP3 protocol converter proxy on your computer. You define a
POP3 e-mail account in your e-mail client to connect to YahooPOPs which
then uses HTTP to connect to Yahoo. YahooPOPs also allows you to use
MD5 hashing or SSL to secure your login. Yahoo supports both.
YahooPOPs allows you to have POP3-like access to your Yahoo e-mail
without having to pay Yahoo for access to their POP3 and SMTP servers.
However, YahooPOPs will be slower at getting your e-mails. A connect to
a POP3 server might take a second to retrieve several e-mails but it
might take a minute for YahooPOPs (depends on how fast is the Yahoo
webmail service).

I really doubt Yahoo doesn't know about YahooPOPs. They don't care if
you use it because you are still using their small-quota freebie webmail
account with a slower response than if you used their paid-for premium
service with POP3/SMTP servers and faster response. The webmail
interface for Yahoo, like Hotmail, can become unresponsive at times so
YahooPOPs (and your e-mail client using it) won't be able to yank your
e-mails.

Yahoo freebie accounts are pretty small for disk quota. When I signed
up, and to this day, my quota is 6MB, but I think new accounts only get
2MB. Hotmail never counted items in the Trash folder against your quota
there but Yahoo did. However, I believe Yahoo recently changed that
policy so items in your Bulk and Trash folders do not count against your
quote. This helps eliminate an account going dead because it filled up
with spam slamming the account and consuming all the quota. YahooPOPs
can be configured to empty the Bulk and Trash folder after a mail poll,
and I still have it configured that way. This ensures that my Bulk and
Trash folders don't get filled up. The Bulk folder gets filled with
spam detected by Yahoo's anti-spam filtering (enabled). The Trash
folder can get filled up with deletes caused by my rules defined under
my Yahoo account. That was before. Now Yahoo lets you configure the
holding time for the Bulk folder. It used to be a ridiculously long 30
days but now you can configure it for 1, 2, or 4 weeks (so I set it to 1
week). I no longer have YahooPOPs empty the Bulk folder just in case
there is a false positive on an e-mail that I am expecting, like a
confirmation/completion e-mail from signing up for some service or site
or after placing an order. I still leave YahooPOPs configured to empty
my Trash folder (which would have messages deleted by my server-side
rules in my Yahoo account). You could have YahooPOPs include yanking
your Bulk e-mails and then rely on anti-spam software to get rid of it,
like SpamPal, but it is rare that I want any of the Bulk stuff so I just
configure Yahoo to expire it after 1 week.

If you read Yahoo's Terms of Use, nowhere do they demand that you use
THEIR webmail interface to use their freebie webmail accounts. By using
YahooPOPs you make it much easier to use your POP3 e-mail client to yank
your Yahoo e-mails. You can also use YahooPOPs' SMTP server to send
your outbound e-mails back through your Yahoo account but that ends up
with their damn promotional spam signature at the end of your outbound
e-mails. Instead I configure my Yahoo POP3 e-mail account to yank
through YahooPOPs but send through my ISP's SMTP server. By using
YahooPOPs, you also don't have to see all those advertisements on their
webmail pages. However, remember that using YahooPOPs won't be as
reliable as using SMTP simply because Yahoo's webmail interface is not
reliable (i.e., it may be unresponsive, under maintenance and out of
service, unreachable, or altered so massively that you will need an
updated YahooPOPs to reconnect again [this has happened once]). You
also adding the YahooPOPs proxy in the e-mail delivery path. I have
seen YahooPOPs go unresponsive so you have to kill it in Task Manager
and then restart it (using the shortcut in your Startup group)

I use Yahoo e-mail accounts to eliminate having my e-mail changed when I
change Internet providers. When I had dial-up service, I was probably
changing ISPs about every 8 months. I now use Comcast broadband (they
are the only provider in my area) but they refuse to let me keep my
username when I move to a new address and have to terminate my old
service and start new service. Yahoo Mail is more reliable (i.e., more
often up) than Hotmail and I like their compose editor better (at the
webmail page) but it still has gone down often enough that I still
occasionaly consider dropping it and using my ISP-provided e-mail
account(s). That's a problem, however, with Yahoo, not with YahooPOPs. 

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