Re: How can I fix this spam dilemma?

From: PeterM (rpm_at_NOSPAM.dcn.org)
Date: 05/17/04 

Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:19:58 -0700

Wow, I'm willing to make a donation to you for that so complete and generous
explanation of everything that I was afraid of reading. I be honest with
you, I was afraid that all this spam stuff was really the way you explained
it. I will have to read your answer again and again, but it was written so
nicely, that I understood each sentence., and I'm an immigrant with English
as my second language. Bravo for your words, and your talent to write in
such a wonderful easy to understand way. I will change things with my spam
program, and going with the one that you recommended. Bless you for your
great explanation................Peter

"*Vanguard*" <no-email@reply-to-newsgroup.invalid> wrote in message
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> PeterM said in news:rZqdnUUzgfLkjTXdRVn-hg@omsoft.com:
> > I like to know how I can put email that I delete myself, because of
> > whatever reason, in a special folder, or not have them go into the
> > deleted folder at all, just disappear altogether.My dilemma is this.
> > I have all these filters, and also "Ihatespam". Since all these
> > filtered and whatever the spam program finds email going to the
> > deleted folder. Then I have to go to the deleted folder and look for
> > subject lines that the spam program mistakenly marked at spam. This
> > all takes too long. I might as well have no spam program and delete
> > all the mail manually, then I know I can just click on "delete all
> > files in the delete folder" How can I smartly fix this
> > situation........Peter
>
> So how does your e-mail client know that a message got marked as spam by
> IHateSpam? Don't you define a rule? If so then obviously you can
> modify that rule to perform a permanent delete instead of a "soft"
> delete into the Deleted Items folder.
>
> A permanently deleted item will not appear in any folder. However, that
> does not eliminate that message from your .pst file. Permanently
> deleted items simply have their status changed to Deleted which means
> the client program won't display them. Those delete-marked items do not
> actually get removed from the .pst file until you compact your message
> store.
>
> Note that if you permanently delete suspect messages that got marked as
> spam then you also recognize that you will be deleting false positives,
> e-mails that are not spam but which were falsely identified as such by
> your anti-spam program. Some anti-spam products use blacklists of known
> spam sources. On occasion a source may get identified as a spam source
> and it takes awhile before that source corrects the problem (if they
> correct it). I had my sister's e-mails getting marked as spam for about
> 3 days when her domain got blacklisted but eventually they corrected the
> IP address range, and eventually her ISP took care of the spam problem
> and got off the blacklist(s). Every anti-spam product will have false
> positives. If the product performs passive filtering, there are no
> filters that will cover all "good" e-mails so there is some chance the
> good e-mails will get falsely accused of being spam. Using blacklist
> almost guarantees that you will get false positives. Maybe not many but
> some (I've had 4 false positives in the past 3 months; I'm not counting
> the newsletters to which I subscribe that got marked as spam by a
> blacklist because, after all, I subscribed to them). Challenge-Response
> promoters try to claim that there are no false positives but under the
> C-R scheme a false positive is a non-spam message for which the sender
> never bothered to reply to the challenge, never got the challenge, their
> anti-spam filtering discards challenges, they were on vacation and
> didn't come back until after the C-R program expires pending delivery
> messages. Since the C-R schemes still let the user review the pending
> delivery messages, that's the same as looking in the Junk folder to see
> what is in there.
>
> I prefer to enable AutoArchive and then enable auto-archive on the Junk
> folder which is configured to permanently delete items over 3 days old.
> If I get spam then it gets moved into the Junk folder but will disappear
> if I haven't bother to read it within 3 days when it got downloaded.
> The preview pane is turned off under the Junk folder but the AutoPreview
> mode is enabled to see the first few lines of each message in plain-text
> format. If I feel so inclined, or I'm expecting a message that doesn't
> get left in my Inbox, I'll wander over to the Junk folder to check for
> false positives. If I don't notice anything that I want to keep, I
> don't have to anything and just let it expire and get permanently
> deleted after 3 days, or I can wipe the entire folder since it was all
> spam (I don't have to pick individual ones to delete). If you want to
> take the stance that anything your anti-spam product claims is spam must
> never appear to you then define the rule to permanently delete it. Then
> explain to your family why you never got their invites or notices (but
> then you should've whitelisted them, anyway).
>
> It really sounds like you are not using the full ability of your
> anti-spam product or you aren't correctly defining the rule in your
> e-mail client to decide what to do with the suspect e-mails. From the
> online PDF manual for IHateSpam, it runs as a proxy just like SpamPal.
> That means you define rules in your e-mail client to decide what to do
> with the tagged e-mails, like checking for "**SPAM**" added the Subject
> or an inserted header used to tag the suspect message. I use SpamPal
> and it runs as a proxy so it is usable by any POP3/SMTP compliant e-mail
> client. SpamPal and all its plug-ins are also totally free. IHateSpam
> costs $20 -AND- you have to renew your subscription every year. SpamPal
> is written by authors helping the community. IHateSpam is written by
> folks wanting to make a buck off the problem.
>
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