Re: How can I fix this spam dilemma?
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Date: 05/17/04
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Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:46:00 -0500
PeterM said in news:rZqdnUUzgfLkjTXdRVn-hg@omsoft.com:
> I like to know how I can put email that I delete myself, because of
> whatever reason, in a special folder, or not have them go into the
> deleted folder at all, just disappear altogether.My dilemma is this.
> I have all these filters, and also "Ihatespam". Since all these
> filtered and whatever the spam program finds email going to the
> deleted folder. Then I have to go to the deleted folder and look for
> subject lines that the spam program mistakenly marked at spam. This
> all takes too long. I might as well have no spam program and delete
> all the mail manually, then I know I can just click on "delete all
> files in the delete folder" How can I smartly fix this
> situation........Peter
So how does your e-mail client know that a message got marked as spam by
IHateSpam? Don't you define a rule? If so then obviously you can
modify that rule to perform a permanent delete instead of a "soft"
delete into the Deleted Items folder.
A permanently deleted item will not appear in any folder. However, that
does not eliminate that message from your .pst file. Permanently
deleted items simply have their status changed to Deleted which means
the client program won't display them. Those delete-marked items do not
actually get removed from the .pst file until you compact your message
store.
Note that if you permanently delete suspect messages that got marked as
spam then you also recognize that you will be deleting false positives,
e-mails that are not spam but which were falsely identified as such by
your anti-spam program. Some anti-spam products use blacklists of known
spam sources. On occasion a source may get identified as a spam source
and it takes awhile before that source corrects the problem (if they
correct it). I had my sister's e-mails getting marked as spam for about
3 days when her domain got blacklisted but eventually they corrected the
IP address range, and eventually her ISP took care of the spam problem
and got off the blacklist(s). Every anti-spam product will have false
positives. If the product performs passive filtering, there are no
filters that will cover all "good" e-mails so there is some chance the
good e-mails will get falsely accused of being spam. Using blacklist
almost guarantees that you will get false positives. Maybe not many but
some (I've had 4 false positives in the past 3 months; I'm not counting
the newsletters to which I subscribe that got marked as spam by a
blacklist because, after all, I subscribed to them). Challenge-Response
promoters try to claim that there are no false positives but under the
C-R scheme a false positive is a non-spam message for which the sender
never bothered to reply to the challenge, never got the challenge, their
anti-spam filtering discards challenges, they were on vacation and
didn't come back until after the C-R program expires pending delivery
messages. Since the C-R schemes still let the user review the pending
delivery messages, that's the same as looking in the Junk folder to see
what is in there.
I prefer to enable AutoArchive and then enable auto-archive on the Junk
folder which is configured to permanently delete items over 3 days old.
If I get spam then it gets moved into the Junk folder but will disappear
if I haven't bother to read it within 3 days when it got downloaded.
The preview pane is turned off under the Junk folder but the AutoPreview
mode is enabled to see the first few lines of each message in plain-text
format. If I feel so inclined, or I'm expecting a message that doesn't
get left in my Inbox, I'll wander over to the Junk folder to check for
false positives. If I don't notice anything that I want to keep, I
don't have to anything and just let it expire and get permanently
deleted after 3 days, or I can wipe the entire folder since it was all
spam (I don't have to pick individual ones to delete). If you want to
take the stance that anything your anti-spam product claims is spam must
never appear to you then define the rule to permanently delete it. Then
explain to your family why you never got their invites or notices (but
then you should've whitelisted them, anyway).
It really sounds like you are not using the full ability of your
anti-spam product or you aren't correctly defining the rule in your
e-mail client to decide what to do with the suspect e-mails. From the
online PDF manual for IHateSpam, it runs as a proxy just like SpamPal.
That means you define rules in your e-mail client to decide what to do
with the tagged e-mails, like checking for "**SPAM**" added the Subject
or an inserted header used to tag the suspect message. I use SpamPal
and it runs as a proxy so it is usable by any POP3/SMTP compliant e-mail
client. SpamPal and all its plug-ins are also totally free. IHateSpam
costs $20 -AND- you have to renew your subscription every year. SpamPal
is written by authors helping the community. IHateSpam is written by
folks wanting to make a buck off the problem.
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