Re: Microsoft VM

Tech-Archive recommends: Fix windows errors by optimizing your registry

From: Hawkide (Hawkide_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 10/30/04 

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:02:01 -0700

Jim, I am leaving for one weeks vacation back east (Boston and New York) in
about 6 hours, so I will have to continue this when I get back. I will back
up the registry and get the info to you probably on Sunday Nov 7 (unless I am
just too tired, then it might be a day or two later). Thanks so much for
helping me through this. I really appreciate it.

You know, I have always been interested in learning about the registry. Any
suggestions on a book that might teach me some of this stuff? Thanks again,
and I'll post back next week.

"Jim Byrd" wrote:

> Hi Hawkide - Well, I'm hoping that we only need to find some info there -
> not modify it - but it may be the case that we will need to. And it's
> ALWAYS the rule that you backup the Registry before you mess with it.
> ERDNT/ERUNT is, as you surmised, a very fine highly recommended tool to do
> that, and well worth you having on your system in any event. Let's get it
> downloaded and installed and then backup your Registry. Here's my
> 'standard' post about that. For your purposes right now don't worry about
> setting up schedules backups, etc. Just get it installed and make a backup.
>
>
> "Get Erunt here for all NT-based computers including XP:
> http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt/ I've set it up to take a
> scheduled backup each night at 12:01AM on a weekly round-robin basis, and a
> Monthly on the 1st of each month. See here for how to set that up:
> http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt/erunt.txt, and for some
> useful information about this subject
>
> This program is one of the best things around - saved my *** on many
> occasions, and will also run very nicely from a DOS prompt (in case you've
> done something that won't let you boot any more and need to revert to a
> previous Registry) IF you're FAT32 OR have a DOS startup disk with NTFS
> write drivers in an NTFS system. (There is also a way using the Recovery
> Console to get back to being "bootable" even without separate DOS write NTFS
> drivers, after which you can do a normal ERDNT restore. If you make your
> backup into a folder inside your Windows or Winnt folder, you can restore at
> a Recovery Console boot by copying the files from that ERDNT folder into the
> system32\config one. After a good boot, then do another normal ERDNT
> restore to also restore the user hives.) (BTW, it also includes a Registry
> defragger program). Free, and very, very highly recommended.
>
> FYI, quoting from the above document:
>
> Note: The "Export registry" function in Regedit is USELESS (!) to make a
> complete backup of the registry. Neither does it export the whole registry
> (for example, no information from the "SECURITY" hive is saved), nor can the
> exported file be used later to replace the current registry with the old
> one. Instead, if you re-import the file, it is merged with the current
> registry, leaving you with an absolute mess of old and new registry keys."
>
>
>
> In what you're about to do now, you will NOT be deleting or modifying
> anything in the Registry , so you can be a bit at ease. :)
>
> After you've backed up the Registry, go to Start|Run and enter regedit
> In Regedit, navigate to this key:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall
>
> and expand it. You should see a bunch of folders with names that look like:
>
> {7148F0A8-6813-11D6-A77B-00B0D0142050}
>
>
> These CLSID's are what we're after. The one I exampled just above is the
> one for JRE 1.4.2_05 and one which you should have as one of these folder
> (key) names, since it's installed on your machine. What you need to do is
> to click on each one of these keys and look on the right for a "Display
> Version" string value of 1.3.0 (or similar - I don't have it installed, so I
> can't be exact.) When/If you find it, what I need to know is the CLSID
> associated with it - the folder name in the curly brackets. If you right
> click on the folder, you can "Copy Key Name" and then paste that into your
> post back. It will look something like this (but with a different value, of
> course):
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{7148
> F0A8-6813-11D6-A77B-00B0D0142050} Then close things up for tonight. (I
> will be leaving the nwsgp for tonight, or at least for a while, after this
> post.)
>
> If you find it, post back with that info, or just tell me that you couldn't
> find it (but be sure and look at EVERY folder though), and we'll do a search
> of the Registry to try and locate it.
>
> Also, I've been thinking - would you perhaps like to just install the latest
> and greatest Sun Java J2SE 5.0 JRE instead of just re-installing 1.4.2_05
> when we get done fooling around here? It's what I use, and I'd recommend
> it. Think about it.
>
> --
> Please respond in the same thread.
> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
>
>
>
> In news:196FD9B3-7455-4AF5-9222-D8DC106E9541@microsoft.com,
> Hawkide <Hawkide@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> > Not too comfy in the registry, but we can give it a shot if you think
> > that's the best approach. I don't know what ERDNT/ERUNT is (i would
> > imagine it is some sort of recovery tool for the registry?) I had no
> > idea this would get so complicated...What ae your thoughts?
> >
> > "Jim Byrd" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Hawkide - Are you comfortable working with the Registry to find
> >> some information? Do you know how to navigate in it, etc.? Do you
> >> have ERDNT/ERUNT installed?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Please respond in the same thread.
> >> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In news:5DFDB271-D0CE-4831-9BD8-2014B9D95D45@microsoft.com,
> >> Hawkide <Hawkide@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> >>> Before I do that I have a few questions:
> >>>
> >>> In Add/Remove Programs I only have the uninstall for the 1.4.2
> >>> version (not
> >>> 1.3). Therefore, I will not be able to uninstall 1.3. Is that a
> >>> problem?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I remember that when I was installing IE6 a few nights back I
> >>> did get a message during the middle of the installation saying that
> >>> it could not find a file. I canceled the install and after trying
> >>> to run the install again it seemed as though it picked up where it
> >>> left off. I got the same missing file message again. This time I
> >>> searsched the harddrive for the file, found it, and told the install
> >>> where it was (I think it was in System32). The install completed
> >>> successfully (or so it seemed).
> >>>
> >>> Also, when I was installing some of the critical updates, I forgot
> >>> to turn off Zone Alarm, and I had to keep clicking the Allow button
> >>> to let the updates proceed.
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to let you know those details incase you thought that
> >>> they might have something to do with the problem.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway...I can uninstall JRE 1.4.2, but not 1.3...Should I proceed
> >>> with your suggestions, or do you have another plan of attack due to
> >>> the info I just detailed?
> >>>
> >>> BTW I run AVG6 for virus protection...I don't care much for Norton
> >>> either.
> >>>
> >>> "Jim Byrd" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Hawkide - I'd like to try completely uninstalling ALL versions
> >>>> of the Sun Java VM that you currently have installed (both 1.3 and
> >>>> 1.4.2_5?) from Add/Remove Programs. Reboot after each uninstall.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now go to http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and check the
> >>>> directions for (Windows Installation) (ignore the "How to get it"
> >>>> stuff) and then download and install
> >>>> j2re-1_4_2_05-windows-i586-p-iftw.exe by clicking on the Download
> >>>> button and then saving it. Then try doing the install from the
> >>>> location where you saved it as Administrator from either Safe mode
> >>>> w/Internet Access or after a Clean Boot. Be sure that as far as
> >>>> possible programs, especially ALL AV, very especially ANYTHING by
> >>>> Symantec/Norton are turned off (or even better in Symantec's case,
> >>>> permanently uninstalled - :) sorry, my justified prejudice I'm
> >>>> afraid - Symantec stuff is notorious for interfering with installs
> >>>> of other software and a major cause of problems).
> >>>>
> >>>> To perform a Clean Boot:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Start|Run enter msconfig.
> >>>> 2. In the Startup tab, click the "Disable All" button.
> >>>> 3. In the Services tab, check the "Hide All Microsoft Services"
> >>>> checkbox, and then click the "Disable All" button.
> >>>> 4. Click OK and then reboot.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Set things up in accordance w/
> >>>> http://java.com/en/download/help/win_manual.jsp#download Enable and
> >>>> Configure, and again in IE as you have them now (if they should
> >>>> change, which they shouldn't) after the install and a reboot and
> >>>> try the test sites and your problem sites again and let me know
> >>>> what happens.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If your Java still fails, we'll try installing the Microsoft VM
> >>>> next following the directions here:
> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=820101 in Question and
> >>>> Answer
> >>>> 2. In this case, you may also want to install Mitch Gallant's JVM
> >>>> Selector utility here:
> >>>> http://www.jensign.com/JavaScience/SelectIEJVM/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Please respond in the same thread.
> >>>> Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In news:6F01376B-6F3A-4A2E-B1E3-675C35F00DFD@microsoft.com,
> >>>> Hawkide <Hawkide@discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> >>>>> Well, no luck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I closed IE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Went to the Java Plug-In in the control panel and set the JRE to
> >>>>> 1.42_05 on the <Advanced> tab
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Under Tools -> IE Options -> Advanced, The Sun Java 1.4.2 was
> >>>>> already ticked, so I ticked MS JIT (Unticked Console and Logging)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Closed IE, and restarted computer (since JIT option says it
> >>>>> requires a restart)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I then went to the first link and I get the Install On Demand
> >>>>> message saying that I need the Java Virtual Machine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I click the <Cancel> button the Jav applet does not work. IF I
> >>>>> click the <Download> button the applet works. However, when I go
> >>>>> to the next link, I get the same Install On Demand message.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the same problem I have had all along. I think I want to
> >>>>> cry...Help me Obi-Jim Kenobi, youu're my only hope
>
>

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