Re: ADM Templates for Vista

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Agreed regression testing is a ... well , you know. And I understand this
was in the works but "shelved". So, I'm not surprised the PM took a "make
me" attitude. (Probably after significant "issues" were identified.)

I'm still casting my insignificant as it may be vote "For" and lobbying for
the same.

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/kj
"Darren Mar-Elia" <dmanonymous@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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My guess is that the testing cycle required is probably half the battle.
Keep in mind that each GP snap-in extension is typically dependent upon
some core OS code. For example, Software Installation is dependent on
Windows Installer, Security on secedit engine, etc. To add to the
challenge, some of the snap-ins actually have the options you see in
GPedit embedded in them. Do you take them out for XP, or leave them and
confuse people as to what applies? Its just ugly, but yes, I'm sure part
of the motivation not to back-port is to encourage upgrades...


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Darren Mar-Elia
MS-MVP-Windows Server--Group Policy
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Policy-related
Group Policy Management solutions at http://www.sdmsoftware.com




"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ah the crux of the matter. That is what I seek. MMC 3.0 is out and
available already. Snap-ins can't be all that much work. Gpedit, 1 dll
and a 1 msc? Still going around the technology issue. It's not like
Kernel code here. So, just what is the code base prerequisite that Vista
offers but XP doesn't?

I'd understand if the MS word is "an update for XP will follow the Vista
release".

Yes, the big squeaky corporate wheels will likely decide when that effort
is to be expended. Then again slow adoption is a danger sign of SA
renewals. Issues that have driven dev in the past and I expect will in
the future.
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/kj
"Darren Mar-Elia" <dmanonymous@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Its software, anything is do-able, but again, its not just GPMC. Please
understand that they would have to back-port gpedit, any MMC snap-ins
that implement the new functionality in Vista and related dependent
code. I suspect the bottom-line answer to your question is, it is
do-able but are they willing to invest the time, energy, dev cycles and
testing to do it? History has shown that to be generally answered, "No".


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Darren Mar-Elia
MS-MVP-Windows Server--Group Policy
http://www.gpoguy.com -- The Windows Group Policy Information Hub:
FAQs, Training Videos, Whitepapers and Utilities for all things Group
Policy-related
Group Policy Management solutions at http://www.sdmsoftware.com




"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm not tree hugging on ADM templates. In fact I applaud and embrace
the ADMX change and all the benefits they bring and issues with ADM
they fix. I just want the capability of using ADM and ADMX from a
single management console like GPMC on Vista provides, but be able to
also do it from XP or W2K3.

From what I've seen of Vistas version of GPMC, there isn't a lot of
architectural difference. So why can't a version of GPMC that
understands ADMX be released for XP? Seems like a simple question. What
is the Vista OS fundamental that makes the new GPMC version only work
there?

Simple question it seems, but all I hear (see) is deer eyes in the
headlights.

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/kj
"Darren Mar-Elia" <dmanonymous@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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KJ-
I think we're talking around the problem. You want to be able to see
ADMX templates in GP editor (or GPMC) on XP and 2003 just like you can
see ADM files for Xp, SP2 on Server 2003, SP1. I get that. You want a
version of both GPMC and GPEdit (because you would need both to be
updated) that can see all the new settings that come with Vista. I
understand that. Because keep in mind that you can create Group
Policies that affect Vista machines using GPMC and GPEdit on XP and
2003. Remember that Vista's ADMXs are a superset of the ADMs that
shipped with XP and 2003. So, for example, you can create a GPO on XP
or 2003 that removes the Run command from the start menu and that GPO
would still happily affect a Vista machine. What you don't get is the
extra new admin. template settings that Vista provides, and the only
reason you don't get those is that MS made the decision to change from
ADM to ADMX. But in reality, if someone took the time, they could
convert all the ADMXs that ship with Vista to ADMs (note that there is
a tool on the MS download site to do the opposite!) and then you'd be
able to get to all those settings from Xp or 2003. So its not really
an issue with GPMC or GPEdit as much as a change in the Admin.
Template format. And again, this is just about admin. templates.

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Darren Mar-Elia
MS-MVP-Windows Server--Group Policy
http://www.gpoguy.com -- The Windows Group Policy Information Hub:
FAQs, Training Videos, Whitepapers and Utilities for all things Group
Policy-related
Group Policy Management solutions at http://www.sdmsoftware.com




"kj" <kj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mark,

I can't seem to get you away from thinking I'm proposing Vista
functionality should be extended to other operating systems.

It's just an issue of managing Vista group policies from either
Windows 2003 GPMC or Windows XP GPMC.

As you recall XP did not and to this day does not come with GPMC. It,
like the Windows 2003 Admin tools for XP, are separate downloads.
They extend the ability to manage the Infrastructure from the XP
platform.

Probably not a Vista developers problem as it really is an AD /
Server issue until Longhorn releases.
Perhaps someone in the appropriate MS product group will recognize
the interim issue and release a GPMC version 2.x supported on XP to
manage the entire supported infrastructure.

BTW, I still haven't seen an answer to the question of Why the Vista
GPMC version could not run on XP from a technology perspective.
Everyone from MS seems to just dance around this question. Perhaps
they just don't know why.

Not getting anywhere with this thread. Perhaps the others that follow
after Vista begins to roll out in corporate can articulate the
problem and management need adequately.

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/kj
"Mark Heitbrink [MVP]" <spam-only@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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kj schrieb:
I think the developers share your vision, but clearly others do see
the problem.

/irony
Absolutely, and I still try to integrate the newest electronical and
mechanical features from my new car to my old one ... but *argh*
they
don´t fit.
./irony
:-)

Despite of having a technical problem you have a licensing problem,
because for some CSEs, like the possibility to integrate the WLAN
CSE
on XPSP2, you need some DLLs from a 2003 Server and they are not
shipped
in XP.

Mark
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