Re: Upgrade and partition questions
From: Michael Stevens (mstevens_at_bogusmvps.org)
Date: 02/24/05
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:40:46 -0800
In news:%23JI0tHPGFHA.1836@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> respectfully replied ;-)
> Colin
>
> Nicely put.. way to go..
>
> I took me three hours and more to get my post out.. I typed a bit,
> then had to rescue somebody from a snowdrift, and then sort a power
> failure out at my mother-in-laws house.. by the time that I arrived
> back, I was pooped.. looked at the screen.. my reply was still there
> waiting.. looked at what I had typed.. hit send on the basis that I
> could clarify in another post if asked so to do..
>
> David
>
> Older computer systems produced by the big names are often a problem
> when upgrading.. while they may use 'named' motherboards, they have
> their own signatures built into their specific requirements by
> whoever the board manufacturer is.. in part, this ensures that owners
> of such systems become reliant on the vendor.. in this way, if a Dell
> user wants to hardware or software upgrade, they will use Dell and
> pay their prices..
> A case in point here is the inability of some Dell models not
> accepting the SP2 update.. you have to wonder what Dell did that a
> system would require patching before SP2 could be installed.. I have
> set up many 'clone' systems that have had no problems, some on the
> face of it less specified than your own.. the difference is that
> 'clone' systems are universal, and not doctored to produce a
> 'corporately' recognisable product..
> I would suggest that if you choose to replace your system at any time,
> bearing in mind that you have access to OS software that is not OEM,
> you purchase a 'clone' system and avoid the big name manufacturers..
>
>
Nicely explained by the both of you and I would like to add that usually
after spending the money for the XP upgrade plus upgraded hardware and
software necessary for compatibility the end result is an obsolete 98
computer running XP that a entry level system for around the same price as
the upgrade plus all the hidden upgrade costs that would run circles around
the upgraded 98 computer.
In this case the OS is free and would make the upgrade attractive on cost,
but with limited driver availability the upgrade doesn't make sense.
-- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP xpnews@bogusmichaelstevenstech.com http://www.michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message > news:OcBHXQKGFHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> Just to add to Mike Hall's reasoning, when Dell does not support XP >> on an older model that means that they did not update the drivers >> for the motherboard or onboard peripherals, like the NIC, modem, >> video, etc. That means that a clean install of XP may not be a good >> idea because no XP drivers are available. It also means that the >> Win98 drivers may not work right with XP after an upgrade to XP. What >> this all means is that your computer is not certified by Dell >> as XP compatible. I suggest that you not try to swim upstream. You >> might have had a chance with the first version of XP but probably >> not with XP as it is today. -- >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) >> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >> news:OGfRFdJGFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... >>> The Dell website is not the friendliest I have ever seen.. maybe if >>> I had wanted to buy one.. :).. however, what I found out was that >>> Dell offer no XP support for your model.. that is not a good thing >>> because some or all newer Dells have problems with SP2 for which >>> fixes were made available.. Second point.. I noticed that the maximum >>> memory slot capability is >>> 128mb.. assuming four slots, that amounts to 512mb at best.. while >>> 512mb is optimum for an XP system, attempts to multitask to any >>> great degree, especially with graphics programs will see the system >>> scrabbling for resources a little.. if you only have three slots, >>> your system will struggle.. >>> >>> A 12.5gb HDD five years ago would be akin to inheriting Texas.. >>> that was then.. now an XP installation complete with SP2, the >>> pagefile and various other updates will swallow up large amounts of >>> disk space.. your 9.5gb free space will soon wane.. it is a good >>> idea to have at least 25% free space on a drive.. >>> >>> I would be tempted to do a clean install of XP, dumping Win 98 for >>> good.. on a clone system, I would not hesitate, but the Dell >>> problem with SP2 might put me off.. you might want to ask Dell >>> about it.. for all I know, older systems may not be affected.. >>> >>> As for arguing with MVPs?.. We are MVPs because we have shown a >>> commitment to helping people voluntarily in newsgroups, forums, >>> through web pages etc.. it does not guarantee that we are always >>> right, so argue away if you so wish.. >>> >>> If you want to multiboot Win 98 and XP until you decide what best >>> to do, go to this site which will tell you all about it.. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/multiboot.mspx >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hall >>> MVP - Windows Shell/user >>> >>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "David Rocah" <david.rocah@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:G5cSd.7305$x53.2758@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >>>> I don't mean to argue (especially with a MVP :-)), but what's >>>> likely to be >>>> the problem? The processor is a 500 mhz PIII, and I've added >>>> memory to 384 >>>> MB. I ran the XP upgrade advisor, and the only hardware that it >>>> said might >>>> be incompatible is my printer (so I double checked that; there's a >>>> Windows >>>> XP driver available for that printer on the HP website) and the >>>> iVasion PoET >>>> adapter (which isn't hardware, but I'm assuming there's similar >>>> software built in to XP, or available for XP). If I was going to >>>> have to spend a bunch of money on new hardware, or on the >>>> software, I agree, it wouldn't make sense to do this. But the XP >>>> software will be free because of Microsoft's license with my >>>> wife's employer (employees can upgrade their home computers for >>>> work use), and I'm planning to use the hardware I've got. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message >>>> news:ewhAowxFFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> The website that you should be browsing is Dell support.. >>>>> realistically, >>>>> your computer is too old, and will not run XP at all well.. Win >>>>> 2K is the >>>>> latest OS that Dell considers your computer able to run.. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Hall >>>>> MVP - Windows Shell/user >>>>> >>>>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "David Rocah" <david.rocah@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:7jWRd.6330$x53.1482@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >>>>>> I want to upgrade a 5yr. old Dell Dimension XPS-T500 machine to >>>>>> XP from >>>> Win >>>>>> 98 SE. In doing some web browsing in preparation, I'm come to >>>>>> worry about the pitfalls of the upgrade process. It seems like >>>>>> doing a clean install is >>>>>> the best way to go. Since I don't have a 2nd computer, I think >>>>>> I'd like >>>>>> to >>>>>> partition my harddrive, and install XP from scratch on the new >>>>>> partition. Once its clear it works fine, I'd like to migrate my >>>>>> programs and files >>>> to >>>>>> the new partition, then erase the old one, leaving me with a >>>>>> single partion >>>>>> on the existing harddrive (because the drive is only about 12.7 >>>>>> GB, with >>>>>> 9.5 >>>>>> GB currently free). My questions are: >>>>>> 1. Can I do this? >>>>>> 2. Is this the most sensible way to do things? >>>>>> 3. If the answer to 1 & 2 is yes, is there a FAQ or website that >>>>>> will give me step by step instructions (I can handle the >>>>>> install, but I've never >>>>>> partitioned a disk before, don't know how to make the new >>>>>> partition bootable, don't know how to tell XP to install in the >>>>>> new partition; am >>>>>> not >>>>>> sure that the XP partition will be able to see, read, and >>>>>> transfer files >>>>>> from the Win 98 SE partition; and am not clear whether I can >>>>>> eliminate a >>>>>> partition, and the best way to erase the files there once I"m >>>>>> sure the >>>>>> transition is complete). I'm sure this gets asked a lot. I did >>>>>> a search, but didn't find an answer to these questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> To reply directly, please remove >>>>>> "nospam" from e-mail address
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