Re: System died - Can OEM xp be used on new computer?

From: Ian Ferrin (nospamiferrin_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 02/07/04 

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:38:30 -0800

Thanks Bruce,

I think I'll give a try installing the old xp pro. I'll try to activate
online asap. If it doesn't "take" I'll just reformat and buy
another copy of xp.

Re. Athlons, I was well aware of the AMD/heat issue. The
defunct computer was in a koolance water cooled case.

There's a number of musicians who swear by intel and only
swear at AMD. It seems to be a reliability thing.

It seems like there's always an issue or two in getting a system
into optimum performance. But once there (going back to an
8mhz xt), I've never had an intel system crap out.

Perceptions can be brutal!

Thanks for your detailed and sympathetic response,

Ian

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@nospamcableone.net> wrote in message
news:102a8sue0248d78@corp.supernews.com...
> Greetings --
>
> This information does shed a different light on the matter. Now
> we're getting into a "grey" area where not even all MVP's are in
> agreement. I can only give you my opinion here.
>
> As I've said, according to the EULA, an OEM license may not be
> transferred from one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most
> emphatically does not prohibit one from repairing/upgrading the
> original PC. To my mind, replacing a defective motherboard certainly
> falls under the category of "repair."
>
> Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component
> that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make
> any such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully
> argue that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that
> is where one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key.
> Again, the EULA does not specifically define any single component as
> the computer.
>
> Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define
> when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original
> computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to
> this definition is to tell the person making the inquiry to consult
> the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is solely the
> responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine what sort
> of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support
> agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded
> computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM
> EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. Of course,
> taken to extremes, this position also implies that, once the OEM
> warranty expires, so does the OEM license. As this is so patently
> absurd, that it doesn't really bare consideration.
>
> If "liquiddaw.com" used a generic OEM installation CD, as seems
> likely to have been the case for a small system builder, as opposed to
> the BIOS-locked CD used by the major OEMS like HP, Compaq, or Dell,
> there's no technical reason that you can't simply replace/upgrade the
> motherboard and CPU. As you've surmised, there should be no issue
> with the subsequent activation.
>
> So, _my_ recommendation would be, rather than replacing the entire
> computer, for you to take that PC to another shop (or do it yourself -
> it's hardly rocket surgery) and have the motherboard & CPU replaced.
>
> Now, about that irrational fear of AMD CPUs..... ;-} Seriously,
> I suspect the problems you've had with AMDs are more the result of
> poor motherboards or inadequate cooling, then the result of bad chip
> design. I've used both AMD and Intel processors in my own machines,
> and I support a large (hundreds, iow) mixture of both at work. The
> only substantive differences I've encountered between the two is that
> AMD's are significantly less expensive than the equivalent Pentium
> CPUs, and they require better cooling to last as long as Pentiums.
> Since the fact that AMDs run "hotter" than Intel chips is well-known
> to competent technicians and systems builders, this usually isn't an
> issue. But there's nothing wrong with the Pentium chips, either, so
> the choice boils down to a matter of taste, and your taste will
> naturally be colored by your experiences.
>
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
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>
> "Ian Ferrin" <nospamiferrin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:emQxsGU7DHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Just out of curiosity,
> >
> > I bought the system from liquiddaw.com a one man business
> > that makes computers for musicians. It was a 'lemon' athlon
> > system that received 2 major servicings (w/ associated downtime)
> > in the 1st year. After the year warranty was up, liquiddaw stopped
> > responding to my emails. At this point I've had 2 crappy athlon
> > systems and 0 bad intel systems (6 or 7). I'll be hard pressed to
> > ever go w/ AMD again, anyway.
> >
> > When I went to install sp1, I had to do a repair
> > install because, although I had a legit copy of xp pro oem,
> > liquiddaw had installed xp using a manufactures generic product
> > key. The repair install allowed me to input my legit product key
> > and upgrade to sp1.
> >
> > Given this history, is there any chance that after that 120 day
> > reset, the this pre-sp1 version of xp pro 2002 is 'reset' so it
> > can be installed again?. The dead computer has been so for
> > approx. 10 months now.
> >
> > Thanks for your kind response,
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
>
>

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